Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

ough! My job is to try and get elected to govern the country.

I am not sure he can say that.
He has to behave like a PM in waiting because he is the most likely PM in the foreseeable future. As future PM, he needs to be diplomatic to both the Palestinian Authority and the government of Israel. Therefore, the definition of anti-semitism needs to be without ambiguity - so that it excludes the direct comparison of the State of Israel with Nazi Germany and the likes.

 

[oldtom]

Therefore, the definition of anti-semitism needs to be without ambiguity - so that it excludes the direct comparison of the State of Israel with Nazi Germany and the likes.

There is a very strong case that the state of Israel has behaved and continues to behave towards the Palestinians like the Nazi regime did towards the Jews. Any definition which fails to make any comparison is nothing short of a whitewash.

The absolute brass neck of Tories like Chris Grayling outright lying about Jeremy Corbyn to smear him as a terrorist sympathiser, when their beloved Maggie actually shook hands with an Israeli terrorist who played a key role in a devastating terrorist atrocity that killed 28 Brits (and 63 others, including 17 Jews).





Tom

 

[tillson]

There is of course the point that the media have engaged in the mother of all character assassinations where Corbyn is concerned, to the point where he should be saying to the press"you don't like my attitude to the Jews? Tough! My job is to try and get elected to govern the country. Not to get distracted by your politically motivated smoke screen

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I’ve not really paid much attention to the Corbyn story. I saw a photograph of him supposedly holding a wreath to lay on the graves of people responsible for murder. Is there more to it? Has the photograph been photoshopped and Corbyn’s Head placed on someone else’s shoulders? I’m not sure what’s going off.

 

[Woosh]

. Is there more to it? Has the photograph been photoshopped and Corbyn’s Head placed on someone else’s shoulders?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

QUOTE

The wreath-laying took place at an event at the Palestinian martyrs’ cemetery in Tunisia during a visit by Corbyn in 2014, a year before he became the party’s leader. There is a memorial to the victims of the 1985 bombing at the cemetery, although it is described as being 15 yards away from where Corbyn was pictured.
A couple of metres behind where Corbyn and the group of people are standing are four graves of senior members of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, thought to have been behind the Black September group. One of those belongs to Atef Bseiso, the PLO’s head of intelligence, who was assassinated outside a Paris hotel in 1992, and was allegedly killed by the Israeli secret service in revenge for the 1972 attack.
Another is the grave of Salah Khalaf, also known as Abu Iyad, who was the second in command in the PLO at the time of his death and is the most senior Palestinian figure buried in the Tunisian cemetery. Khalaf, who is believed to have been a key figure behind Black September, was killed in Tunis in 1991, alongside two other figures who are also buried in the graveyard.

END QUOTE.

It's betwen the Netanyahu's version (JC laid the wreath in honor of the 4 key figures of the PLO) and JC's version (in honor of the 1985 victims). Which one would you believe?

 

[tillson]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

QUOTE

The wreath-laying took place at an event at the Palestinian martyrs’ cemetery in Tunisia during a visit by Corbyn in 2014, a year before he became the party’s leader. There is a memorial to the victims of the 1985 bombing at the cemetery, although it is described as being 15 yards away from where Corbyn was pictured.
A couple of metres behind where Corbyn and the group of people are standing are four graves of senior members of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, thought to have been behind the Black September group. One of those belongs to Atef Bseiso, the PLO’s head of intelligence, who was assassinated outside a Paris hotel in 1992, and was allegedly killed by the Israeli secret service in revenge for the 1972 attack.
Another is the grave of Salah Khalaf, also known as Abu Iyad, who was the second in command in the PLO at the time of his death and is the most senior Palestinian figure buried in the Tunisian cemetery. Khalaf, who is believed to have been a key figure behind Black September, was killed in Tunis in 1991, alongside two other figures who are also buried in the graveyard.

END QUOTE.

It's betwen the Netanyahu's version (JC laid the wreath in honor of the 4 key figures of the PLO) and JC's version (in honor of the 1985 victims). Which one would you believe?

Tricky. Corbyn was nearer to the PLO graves than the victim's memorial, but I suppose he could have been on his way to the memorial.

 

[Woosh]

Tricky. Corbyn was nearer to the PLO graves than the victim's memorial, but I suppose he could have been on his way to the memorial.

he could have said that he laid one wreath at the memorial of the 1985 victims but only watched the PLO leaders laying wreaths at their fellows' graves.

 

[oldgroaner]

Tricky. Corbyn was nearer to the PLO graves than the victim's memorial, but I suppose he could have been on his way to the memorial.

And it makes a far more effective smoke screen than Novichoc hmm?

 

[oldgroaner]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

QUOTE

The wreath-laying took place at an event at the Palestinian martyrs’ cemetery in Tunisia during a visit by Corbyn in 2014, a year before he became the party’s leader. There is a memorial to the victims of the 1985 bombing at the cemetery, although it is described as being 15 yards away from where Corbyn was pictured.
A couple of metres behind where Corbyn and the group of people are standing are four graves of senior members of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, thought to have been behind the Black September group. One of those belongs to Atef Bseiso, the PLO’s head of intelligence, who was assassinated outside a Paris hotel in 1992, and was allegedly killed by the Israeli secret service in revenge for the 1972 attack.
Another is the grave of Salah Khalaf, also known as Abu Iyad, who was the second in command in the PLO at the time of his death and is the most senior Palestinian figure buried in the Tunisian cemetery. Khalaf, who is believed to have been a key figure behind Black September, was killed in Tunis in 1991, alongside two other figures who are also buried in the graveyard.

END QUOTE.

It's betwen the Netanyahu's version (JC laid the wreath in honor of the 4 key figures of the PLO) and JC's version (in honor of the 1985 victims). Which one would you believe?

Certainly not the word of the man with blood on his hands, can you guess which one that is?

 

[Danidl]

I’ve not really paid much attention to the Corbyn story. I saw a photograph of him supposedly holding a wreath to lay on the graves of people responsible for murder. Is there more to it? Has the photograph been photoshopped and Corbyn’s Head placed on someone else’s shoulders? I’m not sure what’s going off.

I have great difficulty in defining who is the terrorist... And I come from a country which has had politically motivated violence all my adult life. A colleague described the grammar as simply.

I am a patriot and a freedom fighter
You are a nationalist,or unionist, Confederate, or BREXITeer or whatever..
He is a terrorist.

Whereas you say exactly the same thing, as does he. Context is everything.
That is NOT to excuse violence, but to hopefully reduce hypocrisy.

 

[Woosh]

Certainly not the word of the man with blood on his hands, can you guess which one that is?

I am no fan of Mr Netanyahu but the point is: should JC clarify where he stands on this conflict? I think he has to be prime-ministerial on this.

 

[flecc]

Where can we get a job lot of fjords?

We can't even a-fjord fjords.

We'll just have to make do by renaming the Bristol Channel, Southampton Water, the Wash and the Firths of Scotland.
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[tommie]

I have great difficulty in defining who is the terrorist...

Really??

and what would you call the perpetrator of the kidnapping, killing and secret burial of innocent catholic lady Jean McConville to name but one of `The Disappeared"?
She was dragged away in front of her children at their home in the Divis flats complex in west Belfast in 1972, driven across the border to the Irish Republic, shot in the head at a remote coastal spot in your County Louth, and then buried in secret on one of your beaches.
The man responsible, as you well know, struts around the Dail in his latest armani suit as if it had never happened.
Unlike you, I don`t have any great difficulty in defining who is the terrorist

Between 1972 and 1985, 17 people were abducted, sometimes tortured, then killed and buried. They included a former monk, two young men with learning disabilities, a handful of petty criminals and a teacher at a private school in Paris who was "disappeared" by another republican group, the INLA.

 

[oldtom]

I'd like to know from their expression how my action is received. For them not to show that is thoroughly bad mannered and anti-social.

I agree wholeheartedly with that 'flecc' but I hadn't reckoned on every possibility, unlike the satirist who sketched this:



Tom

 

[tillson]

I have great difficulty in defining who is the terrorist... And I come from a country which has had politically motivated violence all my adult life. A colleague described the grammar as simply.

I am a patriot and a freedom fighter
You are a nationalist,or unionist, Confederate, or BREXITeer or whatever..
He is a terrorist.

Whereas you say exactly the same thing, as does he. Context is everything.
That is NOT to excuse violence, but to hopefully reduce hypocrisy.

Is there a WTF button?

 

[oldgroaner]

Is there a WTF button?

WTF for?

 

[oldtom]

In spite of the vicious and sustained attacks on Jeremy Corbyn by the extreme right and their friends among the higher echelons of British Jewry, the latest poll figures illustrate the fact that Corbyn and his Labour Party have opened up a small gap over the tories:

poll-alert-labour-edges-ahead.html

Here is a fuller picture of the situation in Palestine:

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-snapshot-casualties-context-demonstrations-and-hostilities-gaza-30-march-9

The real question to be asked is, why does this tory government continually fail to condemn the barbarism demonstrated time and again against the Palestinian people by the only nuclear power in the middle-east? Indeed, the tories claim that the UK is a friend and supporter of the Israeli state! This particular subject objects most strongly to the UK government's foreign policy and to the appalling shambles referred to as our diplomatic corps.

Tom

 

[oyster]

We can't even a-fjord fjords.

We'll just have to make do by renaming the Bristol Channel, Southampton Water, the Wash and the Firths of Scotland.
.

Rename the Thames as Fjord of Dagenham?

 

[anotherkiwi]

Rename the Thames as Fjord of Dagenham?

NZ has fjords but also the good taste to name them "sounds" as in Milford Sound or Dusky Sound.

Dagenham was the name of the glacier that carved the Thames valley?

 

[oyster]

NZ has fjords but also the good taste to name them "sounds" as in Milford Sound or Dusky Sound.

Dagenham was the name of the glacier that carved the Thames valley?

We (in Wales) have Milford Haven - even better taste.

'twas a very poor pun on Ford...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Dagenham

 

[flecc]

Dagenham was the name of the glacier that carved the Thames valley?

From Wikipedia:

"Dagenham first appeared in a document (as Dæccanhaam) in a charter of Barking Abbey dating from 666 AD. The name almost certainly originated with a small farmstead, the "ham" or farm of a man called Daecca, as Dæccan hamm in Old English means home of a man called Dæcca".
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