One of my claims to fame was driving across London using a tube map as a basic guide
Don't try that just after arriving from the southern hemisphere, trust me...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Online traders within ebay and Amazon not charging VAT aren't always fraudulent though, quite a few are small time with under £85,000 a year sales, the VAT registration level.
And imports from the Channel Islands valued at less than £18 are VAT exempt.
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Heard on the radio today that when the Aussies took over they tried to move from diy customers to building trade customers, didn't work obviously.
That penultimate paragraph is a huge endorsement that those who created the institution we now call the EU showed great foresight and imagination. I have no doubt whatsoever that, were it not for the EU, the Balkans conflict by way of example, would have been escalated as other nations took sides and may have led to something akin to another world war.From Twitter
Whatever it costs the UK and all the other nett contributors to fund and sustain the EU, it doesn't come anywhere near the cost of embarking on another major conflict, so most of mainland Europe seems to have learned that mutual respect, co-operation and friendship is better than the alternative that they have indulged in over previous centuries.
As Churchill said to the Americans, 'Jaw-jaw is better than war-war'.
Tom
it's not just amazon and ebay.
Aliexpress is also a danger for UK retailers, online or in the High Street.
Some send batteries by air and not declare them, plenty make 'friendly invoices' so that the customers don't pay import duty and VAT etc.
Speaking for myself, Wickes, Screwfix, Penrallt garden centre, Merlwood Timber, Lidl, B&M Bargains, Toolstation, and numerous other local and online sources.
Does that meaningfully differ from "speaks three languages"? I can't see them ever coming up with "three <the same> languages" (or something like that), can you?
Guardian - again:
British expats in EU launch Brexit legal challenge
Group says leave campaign broke electoral law, making 2016 vote unconstitutional
British expatriates have launched a fresh legal challenge against the 2016 referendum, arguing that the result has been invalidated by the Electoral Commission’s ruling on leave campaign spending.
The judicial review against the prime minister, Theresa May, has been submitted to the high court in London by the UK in EU Challenge group, which represents Britons living in France, Italy and Spain.
It argues that the recent Electoral Commission findings on BeLeave and Vote Leave – which resulted in two officials being reported to the police and punitive fines being imposed – means that the referendum to leave the EU was not a lawful, fair or free vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/14/british-expats-in-eu-launch-brexit-legal-challenge
British expats in EU launch Brexit legal challenge
Group says leave campaign broke electoral law, making 2016 vote unconstitutional
British expatriates have launched a fresh legal challenge against the 2016 referendum, arguing that the result has been invalidated by the Electoral Commission’s ruling on leave campaign spending.
The judicial review against the prime minister, Theresa May, has been submitted to the high court in London by the UK in EU Challenge group, which represents Britons living in France, Italy and Spain.
It argues that the recent Electoral Commission findings on BeLeave and Vote Leave – which resulted in two officials being reported to the police and punitive fines being imposed – means that the referendum to leave the EU was not a lawful, fair or free vote.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/14/british-expats-in-eu-launch-brexit-legal-challenge
A bit more complex in some cases. For example, a UK seller of designs supplied in digital format. There is NO turnover limit. Sell one design to someone in another EU country and you have to register for and charge VAT. Which makes it a non-starter for small sellers.
Many, many years ago I had a deep questioning of the whole of retail. I came up with the idea that for many products, customers could order directly from a manufacturer and it would be sent from the literal end of the line to the end user. No customer - no product.
It didn't happen then, but is it happening now?
Indeed, but KudosDave was referring to to online selling to consumers, which includes large numbers of small scale businesses having no need to register. Something the likes of ebay and Amazon have made possible on such a scale.
A bit of a nightmare for HMRC, since trying to tackle VAT fraud among them could lead into so many unproductive investigations.
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On a small scale yes. It's also getting close to that in many cases, often with only an importer in the line. The fact that so much is made in the Orient has been a limiting element for items direct from maker to consumer. Cyclone have always done it with their kit motors though.
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I too was referring to online sales to consumers.
The specific designs concerned being things like embroidery designs suitable for use on domestic machines, knitting patterns and the like. Where people sell them as one-off sales to people who want to make things using them.
I don't think that has been the case for about six years:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15642336
Me - mother tongue
Je - second language (bilingual)
Yo - third and preferred but still learning
From the Telegraph
Here is a man who's mouth is a problem for the party he represents
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We can harden Brexit after we leave the European Union, says Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
What a great speech in support of remain! obviously this fool has forgotten the significant proportion of the leave Vote that was a protest about the way the Government was imposing austerity.
And this is really going to go down well with the EU negotiators too!
Here is a man who's mouth is a problem for the party he represents
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We can harden Brexit after we leave the European Union, says Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party
What a great speech in support of remain! obviously this fool has forgotten the significant proportion of the leave Vote that was a protest about the way the Government was imposing austerity.
And this is really going to go down well with the EU negotiators too!
Those of us old enough to understand why velcro-fastening footwear and slip-ons are preferable to the so passé lace-up type, will no doubt remember the great comedy produced by the Marx brothers from the US and The Crazy Gang from this side of the pond.
This bunch of 21st century clowns are also great for a laugh:
Tom
This bunch of 21st century clowns are also great for a laugh:
Tom
This, for me, sums up the disgraceful, vindictive campaign being waged by the New Labour pink tories and the Jewish branch of the tory Party against an honest, decent, socialist politician, the elected leader of the Labour Party:
Tom
Tom
Yes, I'd forgotten that change, only non EU jurisdictions now it seems, for under £15 value.
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