Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

let's see what he actually said:

You missed the bit about “bank robbers”.

Are we expected to believe he has read the Koran in full - or just did a quick search? "I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran" He wrote it that way with deliberate ambiguity so that people could read it as a claim of scholarship and diligence, but if forced to directly answer he could say that he never made such a claim and just looked at a couple of websites.

To a considerable extent it matters not at all what you or I think about the words. Those referred to - the burqa-wearers and those who might feel empowered to take action, whether physical or verbal - are who really matters.

If he cannot see that, he most certainly should not be a politician. Preferably he'd go and live in a far-off place from where news of him will never reach us.

 

[Woosh]

well, you read and made your point.
He is trying to attract attention to himself, so he had a go at a tiny minority: muslim, women, face covering, Koran, faith police.
'well I wouldn't say... but there is a point to be made... etc..'
typical of a coward politician.
we should just ignore him.

 

[oldtom]

Boris's comments were not about "Freedom of Speech" just about raising fear of Foreigners to make yourself popular with impressionable sections of the Public, when he should leave things alone.

It has much to do with attitudes. This helps explain:





In the case of the former, there have been widespread calls for a total ban on women being used to advertise cars and other valuable commodities while in the case of the latter, it is seen as the prerogative of all women to dress as they see fit and the chosen garb represents part of their evolutionary emancipation....or something like that.

Personally, I see those in the black outfits as a security risk in public places and would ban them along with hoodies being worn to cover most of the head as security officers in some major shopping centres already acknowledge by challenging those who choose to do that and escorting those who refuse to put the hood down out of the premises.

Again, with reference to the second picture, I cannot tell who is inside the 'coverall' dress and it concerns me that it might be either a male or a female suicide bomber wearing a belt or waistcoat full of explosives.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

You missed the bit about “bank robbers”.

if you are a police officer or member of the armed forces or shop assistant, then the burka ban makes total sense.

 

[oyster]

we should just ignore him.

If everyone really did ignore him, that would be great. Even so, some people with very small audiences keep plugging away at something and eventually it gets out and appears again. Perhaps the far-off place I'd like him to disappear to could not have an internet connection?

 

[tillson]

well, you read and made your point.
He is trying to attract attention to himself, so he had a go at a tiny minority: muslim, women, face covering, Koran, faith police.
'well I wouldn't say... but there is a point to be made... etc..'
typical of a coward politician.
we should just ignore him.

Boris Johnson is no fool. He is a nasty & scheming character who is playing the public for fools. His latest burqa stunt has nothing to do with any heartfelt sentiments which are in tune with public opinion. His words are carefully chosen to further divide and damage his chosen political party, to undermine and weaken his boss and to promote himself as a champion of free speech & crusader against political correctness. The basis of his anti-burqa stunt is rooted in treachery, division and self-promotion. Like the turd of a person eating too richer diet, his desire is to float to the top of the septic tank. That is all that his actions are about, nothing else.

I think the burqa is a medi-evil device that has no place on modern society. For alll sorts of reasons, it should not be allowed to be worn in public.

 

[Woosh]

Perhaps the far-off place I'd like him to disappear to could not have an internet connection?

I suffer severe withdrawal symptom if I lose my connection to the internet.
My wife once booked a shack on a deserted beach near El Cuyo on the Yucatan coast. The place had no mobile phone, no internet - needless to mention that we only stayed there one night.

 

[oyster]

In the case of the former, there have been widespread calls for a total ban on women being used to advertise cars and other valuable commodities

There have. There have also been counter-claims that such a ban removes the women's right to advertise cars...

 

[oyster]

He is a nasty & scheming character who is playing the public for fools.

I suspect nowhere near strong enough.

 

[oyster]

the burka ban

But even Johnson isn't overtly promoting a ban for security reasons!

 

[oyster]

I think the burqa is a medi-evil device that has no place on modern society. For alll sorts of reasons, it should not be allowed to be worn in public.

I always come back to the elephant man - Joseph Merrick. It could be challenging making a suitable exclusion clause to allow someone so afflicted to do as they wish whilst implementing any sort of widespread head-covering ban.

 

[oldtom]

Boris Johnson is no fool. He is a nasty & scheming character who is playing the public for fools. His latest burqa stunt has nothing to do with any heartfelt sentiments which are in tune with public opinion. His words are carefully chosen to further divide and damage his chosen political party, to undermine and weaken his boss and to promote himself as a champion of free speech & crusader against political correctness. The basis of his anti-burqa stunt is rooted in treachery, division and self-promotion. Like the turd of a person eating too richer diet, his desire is to float to the top of the septic tank. That is all that his actions are about, nothing else.

Such expressionism in your writing 'tillson'! If you paint as well as you express yourself in print, you must be up there with Lucian Freud and Edvard Munch and should you be musical, I'd think you must rival Stravinsky and Schoenberg.

Oh, I happen to agree entirely with your views on Johnson and I would say that even if I were a tory!

Tom

 

[Woosh]

But even Johnson isn't overtly promoting a ban for security reasons!

that's my personal view. If the person is expected to face the public then the local customs must be respected. You wouldn't bare all on a public beach unless there are suitable warnings: 'naturists are about'.

 

[Woosh]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/brexit-swansea-leave-voting-turns-against-brexit-remain

“I think it was a wasted vote, 110%. If I knew that it was going to be like this, I probably wouldn’t have turned up to vote,”

that reaction from a brexit voter in Swansea is likely if we have a second referendum.

remain would win by default.

 

[oyster]

remain would win by default.

I'd very much hope for a very clear remain decision with a high turnout. Rather agree, though, that the (hopefully, former) brexit voters are likely not to turn out in anything like the numbers of two years ago.

 

[oyster]

Hmmm...

New Daily Mail editor: we want the least damaging Brexit
Under Geordie Greig the pro-leave paper is likely to try to focus on healing rifts


Anyone else think the least damaging brexit is no brexit?

 

[Woosh]

Anyone else think the least damaging brexit is no brexit?

that's not brexit.
the least damaging brexit is the Chequers formula but it's very difficult to get the EU to agree. The Norway model is my favourite because it is well understood, tried and tested.
The Jersey model is too close to the EU and likely seen as BRINO.

 

[flecc]

My wife once booked a shack on a deserted beach near El Cuyo on the Yucatan coast. The place had no mobile phone, no internet -

That sounds like heaven to me.

You'd best stop being good or you could end up there for eternity!
.

 

[oyster]

the least damaging brexit is the Chequers formula but it's very difficult to get the EU to agree.

If it is unachievable, it isn't a brexit. It isn't anything except pie in the sky.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hmmm...

New Daily Mail editor: we want the least damaging Brexit
Under Geordie Greig the pro-leave paper is likely to try to focus on healing rifts


Anyone else think the least damaging brexit is no brexit?

As in
"The only Good Brexit is a Dead 'un"