Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

I missed this piece in the Independent on Tuesday but it makes very depressing if unsurprising reading. I wonder if the production of blue passports might be overtaken by blue ration books!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1532687292

Tom

 

[oyster]

I missed this piece in the Independent on Tuesday but it makes very depressing if unsurprising reading. I wonder if the production of blue passports might be overtaken by blue ration books!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1532687292

Tom

From that there are links to this: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

 

[oldgroaner]

From that there are links to this: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

You beat me to it! so I deleted my post....

 

[oldtom]

From that there are links to this: http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/this-is-what-no-deal-brexit-actually-looks-like

It really is frightening but I'm beginning to look forward to a no-deal 'Bexit' now. Perverse, yes but I think the sooner the racists and fascists who voted to leave find themselves on the dole, with no other job prospects, discover the real truth that accompanies all the garbage about 'taking back control' and 'restoring our sovereignty', the sooner we can make application to rejoin the EU and move towards a US of Europe.

I now actually look forward to the loss of bank passporting and the Japanese carmakers exiting for greenfield sites in depressed areas of the EU because those thrown out of work as well as all those associated with such a social disaster, part of the collateral damage, are the people who really ought to suffer and they will. Sadly, millions of decent, hard-working PAYE taxpayers will also have to put up with the hardships 'Brexit' will inevitably bring upon us all.

Those who have created this monstrous prospect should be charged with treason against the British people on account of their lies and deceptions. Unfortunately, the death penalty for even High Treason was removed some time ago.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

I missed this piece in the Independent on Tuesday but it makes very depressing if unsurprising reading. I wonder if the production of blue passports might be overtaken by blue ration books!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1532687292

Tom

.. this is what I have been thinking and writing here for the last 15 months...

 

[oldgroaner]

Stop worrying folks!
The Telegraph has this stirring piece
"
The 'reserve parachute'Secret Brexit plan being drawn up by ministers in case Chequers deal is killed off by EU

Just a thought , if it's "secret" how does the Telegraph know?

In my view for what it's worth, what they need isn't a parachute.
It's a Bungee Rope!

 

[oldgroaner]

The British "Free press" undoubtedly rely on having a readership that couldn't tell fact from fiction.
Here for instance is what purports to be weather reports,
First the Telegraph

Danger to life warning as intense storms end Britain's heatwave
Well that's all right then

Then then the Express
STUNNING long-range UK weather forecast: 100 MORE DAYS of HOT SUNSHINE

SWELTERING Britons face another three months of blistering heat as forecasters predict an ‘Indian Summer’ lasting until November.

There's nothing as they say like consistency, especially when these two dreadful rags are actually alleged to be on the same page politically.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Express
"
'Find a way!' Austria orders EU to secure close partnership with UK in Brexit SHOCK
AUSTRIAN Chancellor Sebastian Kurz has called on Brussels to “find a way” to offer Britain a post-Brexit deal which will keep the UK’s relationship with the Continent as strong as possible."

Great spin there he made conciliatory noises and expressed a polite hope, I wonder how he will read that the Express lied about what he said?

He said this
"The Austrian leader said: “I think the negotiations are going quite well. I would like to thank you chief negotiator Michel Barnier, with his work we can be successful in finding a solution in October."

Of course we can expect this nonsense wherever TM visits from the Express

 

[Woosh]

"Respect for the voters who supported Brexit does not mean respect for the politicians who lied to those voters."
A comment I picked up yesterday.
This said, the EU27 is willing to make a deal based on CETA plus a few extras in view of their trade surplus with the UK.
They include probably agriculture products, Euratom, aviation, Galileo etc.
Some EU firms will pull out, some will cut back etc but that should be compensated by Chinese e-bike manufacturers moving in
There will be a hard border in NI but this looks unavoidable for some time now.

 

[oldgroaner]

"Respect for the voters who supported Brexit does not mean respect for the politicians who lied to those voters."
A comment I picked up yesterday.
This said, the EU27 is willing to make a deal based on CETA plus a few extras in view of their trade surplus with the UK.
They include probably agriculture products, Euratom, aviation, Galileo etc.
Some EU firms will pull out, some will cut back etc but that should be compensated by Chinese e-bike manufacturers moving in
There will be a hard border in NI but this looks unavoidable for some time now.

This isn't going to work.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44966969
This is the sort of subversive adverts revealed to have been sent to potential leave sympathisers via Facebook
Examples

That last one is a classic!

 

[Woosh]

This isn't going to work.

A CETA or CETA+ will test the resolve of hard brexiters for 2 years in transition, some 5% will have died in waiting.
We won't experience much if any ill effect during that 2 year transition period, plus will have plenty of time to develop an association membership of the EU.
It is in fact a soft brexit.
I'd say: just pay the £39 billions.

 

[oldtom]

There will be a hard border in NI but this looks unavoidable for some time now.

The referendum result in 2016 indicated that the people of NI wished to remain in the EU. If a hard border separating the 6 counties from Eire should come to pass, the NI voters should remember the DUP's role in supporting a floundering UK government by accepting a bribe. Those people need to ask themselves in whose interest does that party operate?

If the DUP were honest, principled people, they could have aligned themselves with other political parties and prevented the British government from crashing out of the EU, as now seems likely.

Tom

 

[Woosh]

The referendum result in 2016 indicated that the people of NI wished to remain in the EU. If a hard border separating the 6 counties from Eire should come to pass, the NI voters should remember the DUP's role in supporting a floundering UK government by accepting a bribe. Those people need to ask themselves in whose interest does that party operate?

If the DUP were honest, principled people, they could have aligned themselves with other political parties and prevented the British government from crashing out of the EU, as now seems likely.

Tom

Northern Irish can vote the DUP out of power at the next NI Assembly election.
If that's not enough, the GFA allows vote for reunification.
At the end of the day, you have to make a choice, which side of the road you want to be. If you don't, you'll be run over.

 

[oldgroaner]

If the DUP were honest, principled people, they could have aligned themselves with other political parties and prevented the British government from crashing out of the EU, as now seems likely.

Honest, principled people?Too much to expect from Conservatives, they would never get selected to stand for election.

 

[oldgroaner]

At the end of the day, you have to make a choice, if you don't, you'll be run over.

Hang on a bit, we did make a choice and we are still being "Run over!"

 

[Woosh]

Hang on a bit, we did make a choice and we are still being "Run over!"

soft brexit is only a graze, it's not going to kill you.
Pensioners will still be able to retire to South of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece.

 

[oldgroaner]

soft brexit is only a graze, it's not going to kill you.
Pensioners will still be able to retire to South of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece.

That is "Pie in the Sky" thinking, we are still at the mercy of the asset strippers that run the UK

 

[Woosh]

That is "Pie in the Sky" thinking, we are still at the mercy of the asset strippers that run the UK

there is no reason why they should be less restricted to ply their trade more than now.
the fault is with conservatives' policies, such as privatising public services.

 

[oldgroaner]

there is no reason why they should be less restricted to ply their trade more than now.
the fault is with conservatives' policies, such as privatising public services.

Do you really think that the legislation now applying to Health and safety , employment, benefits, the environment, the cost of living and the NHS won't take a hit?