Brexit, for once some facts.

gray198

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oh yes, I forgot the 5%, they want to delay A50.

don't want to answer: 15%,
want chequers plan: 9%,
want another plan: 20%
delay A50: 5%
do we remember all the polls leading up to the referendum pointing to a no vote. I think they can be made to say what they want and are used to manipulate public opinions
 
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oldgroaner

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do we remember all the polls leading up to the referendum pointing to a no vote. I think they can be made to say what they want and are used to manipulate public opinions
They were of course too late if that was the intent the lies of the leave camp were the more successful, as was the wish among the public to be against anything the government was in favour of.
There was after all no understanding of the consequences of the vote, and there's previous little even now

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do we remember all the polls leading up to the referendum pointing to a no vote. I think they can be made to say what they want and are used to manipulate public opinions
Very true. If they were all neutral bias they'd all end up with identical results, but that never happens.
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orrinoconnor

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The Express seems confused with this
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Brexit Britain is READY: UK poised for world trade - as May gears up for NO DEAL with EU
BRITAIN has taken a major step towards independence from the EU by formally circulating its tariff schedules at the World Trade Organisation (WTO)

And what is May doing ? trying desperately to avoid that being the situation.
And in the meantime Rab C Nesbitt (Thanks Tommie) is saying this
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'EU is IRRESPONSIBLE’ Raab savages Brussels over No Deal Brexit threats
When I think back to The Election The big thing was open borders, the free flow of emigration and the problems it has possed. Along with many secondary issues,, not least of which was EU dictates.

I was amazed at the result of the election,, but my feelings at the time was that it would not be alowed and if we were to exit the EU it would be in Name Only.
It now seems that my gut instincts were quite correct
 
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When I think back to The Election The big thing was open borders, the free flow of emigration and the problems it has possed. Along with many secondary issues,, not least of which was EU dictates.

I was amazed at the result of the election,, but my feelings at the time was that it would not be alowed and if we were to exit the EU it would be in Name Only.
It now seems that my gut instincts were quite correct
Trouble is, we are WAAAAAY beyond it being in name only.

Specific example: We have lost the European Medicines Agency to Amsterdam.

I rather suspect that our influence within the EU has been massively diminished since the referendum.
 

oldtom

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Everything this government does is designed to ensure the establishment flourishes at the expense of ordinary people. This little item of business is entirely in keeping with the government's support for corporate business, regardless of the consequences for the British people and 'Brexit' is, by extension, no different.

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oldgroaner

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When I think back to The Election The big thing was open borders, the free flow of emigration and the problems it has possed. Along with many secondary issues,, not least of which was EU dictates.

I was amazed at the result of the election,, but my feelings at the time was that it would not be alowed and if we were to exit the EU it would be in Name Only.
It now seems that my gut instincts were quite correct
Frankly we have lost in every way
What seemed to escape the good people who voted for Brexit, their Government intended an entirely different outcome to what the people who voted leave thought they were going to get.
We have surrendered the benevolent intentions of the EU
For the Malign influence of the Westminster Flying Circus, and i include all parties in that, as unfortunately they all fit neatly into the following saying

"That's Good and original my boy
But the parts that are good aren't original
and the parts that are original aren't good"

W.C. fields
let's dissect that a little

Corbyn has some ideas that are neither original nor good
May has some original ideas that are frankly lunatic ravings.

And jackass, Boris and Gollum should have been banished as Biological Hazards
 
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oldgroaner

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Trouble is, we are WAAAAAY beyond it being in name only.

Specific example: We have lost the European Medicines Agency to Amsterdam.

I rather suspect that our influence within the EU has been massively diminished since the referendum.
And we have proved to the world we are in a downward spiral, ruled by a pack of half wits, hardly the image we need
And to the Americans we are worth no more than a small colony
 
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When I think back to The Election The big thing was open borders, the free flow of emigration and the problems it has possed. Along with many secondary issues,, not least of which was EU dictates.

I was amazed at the result of the election,, but my feelings at the time was that it would not be alowed and if we were to exit the EU it would be in Name Only.
It now seems that my gut instincts were quite correct
Like you I was amazed. But unlike you my feelings were not as sanguine,and I hoped then and still hope that sanity might prevail. The UK will be "allowed ' to do whatever it wishes, but it still is unsure of what it wants. So I am starting to believe that the UK will stumble towards the worst possible outcome.
 
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Am surprised that so many Welsh farmers voted Leave....what do they know that we don't?
The prime minister reiterated her government's commitment to maintain EU funding levels of around £300m a year for Welsh agriculture until 2022.

Pressed on funding beyond that, she said: "We'll be making sure that we get a system that is in the interests of farmers across the United Kingdom."....another meaningless soundbite from May,in other words Mr Welsh farmer after 2022 you get nothing!!

Mrs May was speaking to BBC Wales as she visited the Royal Welsh Show.

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oldgroaner

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Like you I was amazed. But unlike you my feelings were not as sanguine,and I hoped then and still hope that sanity might prevail. The UK will be "allowed ' to do whatever it wishes, but it still is unsure of what it wants. So I am starting to believe that the UK will stumble towards the worst possible outcome.
You've got it wrong I'm afraid ,we aren't stumbling.

The officers of this particular Titanic have mutinied and forced the Captain to order Flank speed on the following assumption

"It's only a little iceberg, hardly breaks the surface, our unsinkable ship will sail right through with just a few scratches on the paintwork!"

Great plan, the passengers approved two years ago, and no one is going to make the mistake of asking them again after what happened last time.

After all after 40 plus years of lying to the public, they still got the wrong result.
Lord only knows what they might come up with if you ask 'em again!
They might decide since we have managed without the Government for two years the best plan would be to chuck them out and turn the HOC into a knocking shop.

I mean officially, like....:cool:
 
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oldgroaner

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Would Brexiters throw a tantrum if we had another vote?
KudosDave
OH YES Farage reckons there could be vast numbers like the protest outside the law courts.
perhaps as many as TWO dozen this time!
(Even Trump would struggle to make that look bigger)
 
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From the Independent
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Brexit: Michel Barnier rules out Theresa May's Chequers customs plan

He however said the bloc was open to having a customs union with Britain – a proposal advocated by Labour.

“The EU cannot and the EU will not delegate the application of its customs policy, of its rules, VAT and excise duty collections to a non-member who would not be subject to the EU’s governance structures,” Mr Barnier said after meeting Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab in Brussels.

Looks like "BRINO" is GO!
 
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