Brexit, for once some facts.

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Since the introduction of particulate filters, diesel engines have ceased to be a source of particulate pollution in cities, and spark-ignition engines need to follow suit as quickly as possible.
So why have they seen the need to:

Bosch has moved the diesel particulate filter [and SCR system] much closer to the engine.

If diesels have already ceased to be a source of particulate pollution in cities, there would be no obvious reason to play about with its location.
 
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Zlatan

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Let's recap what actually happened shall we?

Lie number one.
The referendum was Advisory only and not legally binding, a fact that was carefully concealed from the Public for fear they may decide not to bother to vote

Lie number two

It was not a crushing victory for leave merely a marginal 4% difference where even Farage stated that such a victory if it had gone in the other direction would not equate to a Mandate, only a 2:1 victory would sett the matter.

Lie number three "The Will of the people"
By the standards demanded by Farage and other Leave champions it isn't is it?

Lie Number three it was correctly run and Fair

The Referendum has been tainted by the us of Psychological Warfare means of mass persuasion , and huge numbers of ex pats who should have had the right to vote were excluded

Lie number four We can now protect our Borders

With what and from whom?

Lie number five More money for the NHS

Actually there have been cuts and bribes given to a bunch of Blackmailers in the DUP

Lie number 6 Control of Free Movement

That has already backfired badly on the NHS , Farming and other industries

Lie number 7 the EU is Failing

Wrong again, it isn't we are, and it will get worse

Lie Number 8 the Leave side had a plan

We haven't got one yet!

Lie number 9 The people Voted for Revolutionary Change

Actually they voted for an end to Austerity and the EU had been Blamed Wrongly for that

You know what is an awful feeling? that there are people like Tommie who appear unable to grasp how serious a mess they have got this so called United Kingdom into because they allowed themselves to be deluded into imagining they were doing something "Noble and Patriotic" by voting for Brexit, instead of checking the credibility of the main characters in this sorry drama.

Who after all could be stupid enough to believe Boris, Gove, Davis Fox and Farage?
All the lies and promises have been exposed and there is still no plan is there?

The truth of the matter is that most Brexit voters registered a protest vote against Austerity on the Grounds that since the Government policy was to stay in the EU (Despite blaming the EU for it's own failures) they the Voters were against something that they didn't have the most rudimentary understanding of.

And now they can't bring themselves to accept they were foolish and conned.

There is light at the end of this particular tunnel, regardless of their obstinacy , and quite inevitably, in the long run Europe will morph into a Superstate, as America did from several nations, and Germany did from over 30 small states.

Like it or not, Tommie this country will be absorbed into that Superstate, but not as a major player, just a junior offshore island, rather as it was in the time of the Roman Empire, and by then Northern Ireland will be long gone and merged with the rest of Eire.
Counting a bit suspect OG .
 
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Like it or not, Tommie this country will be absorbed into that Superstate, but not as a major player, just a junior offshore island, rather as it was in the time of the Roman Empire, and by then Northern Ireland will be long gone and merged with the rest of Eire.
Oops! another `fools pardon` card handed out to our resident `Bell-end`

do try and keep up.....

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The poll in this newspaper revealing that support in Northern Ireland for leaving the UK stands at a paltry 21 per cent is a salutary reminder of the facts. Were there signs of majority opposition to the Union, Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley would be required by law to call a border poll. As there are none, she has confirmed that she will not be doing so. Indeed, the Union is markedly more popular in Northern Ireland than it is in Scotland.

It is a myth to say a border poll needs calling, let alone that it is in danger of being lost, least of all “because of Brexit”. The most successful Union in history endures but, unfortunately, so do many other myths about Brexit and the border, and it would be useful to deal with them, too.
First of all, there is a border: it hasn’t gone away. It is a tax, immigration, currency, political, international, excise and security border. It’s also not one of Europe’s weightier ones. Sixty-five per cent of Ulster’s trade is internal to the province, 20 per cent goes to the rest of the UK, and merely 5 per cent goes to the Republic. A miserly 1.6 per cent of the Republic’s exports go north, and only 1.6 per cent of its imports come from Northern Ireland. Furthermore, the bulk of the trade is highly regular, so it is simple to regulate. There are 13,000 border crossings annually solely for the production of Guinness. Likewise, movements in the milk trade are utterly predictable at both ends, and ideal for ease of monitoring.

Smaller traders can be dealt with flexibly, and government can improve its game. “Authorised Economic Operators” are the best way to guarantee frictionless trade. Germany has 6,000 of them, we have 600. The idea that issues cannot be solved is demonstrably untrue. Niall Cody, head of the Irish Revenue, has been clear that vintage border posts from a Tintin illustration aren’t needed – points repeated by Lars Karlsson, ex-director of the World Customs Organisation, for the EU’s report into this, and by the head of our own HMRC. There are no insurmountable technological problems, only, thus far, political ones. Not one new, untried technology is required to make this work.
Opportunities have been let go. Earlier in the Brexit talks, the Irish government asked the EU Commission to consider an agricultural free-trade area for the British Isles. Brussels refused. Dublin, too, has made mistakes. Under their previous prime minister, Enda Kenny, Irish officials cooperated with ours to find solutions. When the current Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, came to office, he ended such cooperation on the grounds that he didn’t want Ireland to be providing solutions to “British”problems. This was unwise.

Politicians who have had grave security responsibilities should be circumspect in what they say. Others should not take advantage of that reticence to make claims about what the border is and is not. We commend the work of the security services to combat terrorism. No one should ever seek to adduce the threat of it as a reason to do or not do anything.

Brussels and Dublin’s disregard for the Good Friday Agreement is troubling. When Michel Barnier proposed ignoring it by simply annexing Northern Ireland to the customs union, Theresa May rightly rejected this outrageous suggestion. What concerns us is that some Irish politicians claim things of the Agreement that plainly aren’t in it, while routinely ignoring what is.

The point of the Agreement was to respect the border, and leave the choice about its future solely, democratically and peacefully to the people of Northern Ireland. Ireland’s foreign minister, echoing Sinn Fein talking points such as a “special status” for Ulster (detaching it without its consent from the rest of the UK), manifestly disrespects the Agreement.

Unionists have every right to expect that what’s in the Agreement is honoured, rather than fantasies about it being cynically and recklessly exploited by Remainers.

The Prime Minister is right in wanting to deliver a Brexit that works for the entire country. It should also work for our friends in the Republic. This will be done by a deal. We want one; we hope they do, too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/20/remainers-exploiting-fantasies-irish-border-aided-dublin-brussels/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
 
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Oops! another `fools pardon` card handed out to our resident `Bell-end`

do try and keep up.....

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The poll in this newspaper revealing that support in Northern Ireland for leaving the UK stands at a paltry 21 per cent is a salutary reminder of the facts. Were there signs of majority opposition to the Union, Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley would be required by law to call a border poll. As there are none, she has confirmed that she will not be doing so. Indeed, the Union is markedly more popular in Northern Ireland than it is in Scotland.

It is a myth to say a border poll needs calling, let alone that it is in danger of being lost, least of all “because of Brexit”. The most successful Union in history endures but, unfortunately, so do many other myths about Brexit and the border, and it would be useful to deal with them, too.
First of all, there is a border: it hasn’t gone away. It is a tax, immigration, currency, political, international, excise and security border. It’s also not one of Europe’s weightier ones. Sixty-five per cent of Ulster’s trade is internal to the province, 20 per cent goes to the rest of the UK, and merely 5 per cent goes to the Republic. A miserly 1.6 per cent of the Republic’s exports go north, and only 1.6 per cent of its imports come from Northern Ireland. Furthermore, the bulk of the trade is highly regular, so it is simple to regulate. There are 13,000 border crossings annually solely for the production of Guinness. Likewise, movements in the milk trade are utterly predictable at both ends, and ideal for ease of monitoring.

Smaller traders can be dealt with flexibly, and government can improve its game. “Authorised Economic Operators” are the best way to guarantee frictionless trade. Germany has 6,000 of them, we have 600. The idea that issues cannot be solved is demonstrably untrue. Niall Cody, head of the Irish Revenue, has been clear that vintage border posts from a Tintin illustration aren’t needed – points repeated by Lars Karlsson, ex-director of the World Customs Organisation, for the EU’s report into this, and by the head of our own HMRC. There are no insurmountable technological problems, only, thus far, political ones. Not one new, untried technology is required to make this work.
Opportunities have been let go. Earlier in the Brexit talks, the Irish government asked the EU Commission to consider an agricultural free-trade area for the British Isles. Brussels refused. Dublin, too, has made mistakes. Under their previous prime minister, Enda Kenny, Irish officials cooperated with ours to find solutions. When the current Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, came to office, he ended such cooperation on the grounds that he didn’t want Ireland to be providing solutions to “British”problems. This was unwise.

Politicians who have had grave security responsibilities should be circumspect in what they say. Others should not take advantage of that reticence to make claims about what the border is and is not. We commend the work of the security services to combat terrorism. No one should ever seek to adduce the threat of it as a reason to do or not do anything.

Brussels and Dublin’s disregard for the Good Friday Agreement is troubling. When Michel Barnier proposed ignoring it by simply annexing Northern Ireland to the customs union, Theresa May rightly rejected this outrageous suggestion. What concerns us is that some Irish politicians claim things of the Agreement that plainly aren’t in it, while routinely ignoring what is.

The point of the Agreement was to respect the border, and leave the choice about its future solely, democratically and peacefully to the people of Northern Ireland. Ireland’s foreign minister, echoing Sinn Fein talking points such as a “special status” for Ulster (detaching it without its consent from the rest of the UK), manifestly disrespects the Agreement.

Unionists have every right to expect that what’s in the Agreement is honoured, rather than fantasies about it being cynically and recklessly exploited by Remainers.

The Prime Minister is right in wanting to deliver a Brexit that works for the entire country. It should also work for our friends in the Republic. This will be done by a deal. We want one; we hope they do, too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/20/remainers-exploiting-fantasies-irish-border-aided-dublin-brussels/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
Resident Bell end? well done Tommie,that's about the level of comment we can expect from someone so easily conned as you.
Not an original thought in your head.

And what makes you think the rest of the UK wants Northern Ireland?
What use is it to us?
Northern Ireland needs the UK a lot more than the EU needs the UK, but what do we need you for?

The Blackmail paid to the DUP has lost it a lot of friends over here, and your gloating about it isn't helping either.
A Poll on that issue might prove interesting.....
 
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oldgroaner

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From the Express
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Brexit Airways! Boris Johnson demands new PLANE as he hunts for new trade opportunities
BORIS Johnson last night called for a Brexit jet for him to travel the world in the hunt for new trading opportunities for the UK outside the EU.

Has the Red Bus Broken down?

And why is he hunting for trade opportunities?
Wasn't that somebody else's (Name forgotten) job?
 
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Zlatan

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Resident Bell end? well done Tommie,that's about the level of comment we can expect from someone so easily conned as you.
Not an original thought in your head.

And what makes you think the rest of the UK wants Northern Ireland?
What use is it to us?
Northern Ireland needs the UK a lot more than the EU needs the UK, but what do we need you for?

The Blackmail paid to the DUP has lost it a lot of friends over here, and your gloating about it isn't helping either.
A Poll on that issue might prove interesting.....
People wouldn't believe or accept the poll decision, just carry on moanning..
 
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From the Independent
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The significance of recent developments is that Theresa May is being pushed inexorably towards the softer end of the scale. Last week the cabinet agreed that, unless other arrangements can be made, the UK will continue to be treated as a member of the EU customs union for some time after the post-Brexit transition period ends in December 2020.

Responding to rumbles of discontent from the Eurosceptic wing of her party, she said yesterday that this “backstop” arrangement “will be in a very limited set of circumstances for a limited time”.

Oh no it won’t, came the response from the EU side of the negotiation, as we report today. The EU side point out that Ms May has already signed up to maintaining “full alignment” in respect of the Irish border “in the absence of agreed solutions”. That means the backstop of full alignment must continue until there are agreed solutions, which is not something that can be time-limited.

Michel Barnier, the EU negotiator, is well aware that he is not negotiating with Ms May alone. Not only does she have a divided cabinet to manage, but in the end the deal will have to be approved by the House of Commons. And Mr Barnier knows, as Ms May does, that the majority in the House is for what might be described as a medium soft Brexit.

Brino..... why bother......just ask for Brexit to be reversed..
 
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And why is he hunting for trade opportunities?
Wasn't that somebody else's (Name forgotten) job?
BJ wants to be seen on TV to do some work but can't help his image of a buffoon.
JRM was introduced yesterday by BBC Daily Politic's Jo Coburn as UK's (possible) future PM.
BJ must feel a bit hurt.
 
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BJ wants to be seen on TV to do some work but can't help his image of a buffoon.
JRM was introduced yesterday by BBC Daily Politic's Jo Coburn as UK's (possible) future PM.
BJ must feel a bit hurt.
It has already made him set out to make an even bigger fool of himself over a new Aircraft in order to get media attention.
Pathetic.
 
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oldtom

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It has already made him set out to make an even bigger fool of himself over a new Aircraft in order to get media attention.
Pathetic.
They really are taking the proverbial now! I'm sure these clowns believe they can get away with anything and I can just imagine a conversation between Johnson and Davis, each attempting to outdo the other by more and more outlandish schemes.

On this occasion, Johnson has said to Davis, 'Watch me...I'll tell the silly bitch I need a personal aircraft like Trump so I can get to to all those places that are essential for a Foreign Secretary to visit and arrive fresh and relaxed. I'll bet you a grand she'll buy it!' Davis, 'You're on!'

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oldtom

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Mark Carney, Governor of the BofE, has made it pretty clear that'Brexit' has caused major difficulties with UK economic matters and you can read a report here:

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/brexit-has-already-knocked-2-off-uk-economy-cost-households-a-lot-of-money/22/05/

The news that M&S are having to embark on a large-scale restructuring of their empire, on top of Carney's statement, will send shock-waves through the business community. I note also that Tesco are axing their Tesco Direct arm. Both these announcements are likely to mean job losses and all of this is attributable to 'Brexit'.........and we haven't even started yet!

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The M&S tale is here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44221475

....and the Tesco news is here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44211616

Apart from all that, Welsh trains will be run by Europeans......

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However, in other news, Man Utd remains the most valuable club in Europe.....so that's all right then!

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Bosch has moved the diesel particulate filter [and SCR system] much closer to the engine.
I think it's just to save on the energy needed to maintain the oxidation of NO to NO2 (at 200-500 Celsius) going. We need to keep using diesel but perhaps not in cities.
 
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"What did the Northern Irish do for us?"

that's where the two sides of the conservative party fight over to control the brexit agenda. I could hear Noel Edmond asking the question to DUP's Arlene Foster: The banker has raised his offer to 1.3 billions. Deal or no deal?
 
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