They certainly were, civil jets all as noisy as the military ones until 1965 when the first bypass jet engines arrived on the 747.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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All those who think it proper to vote for the tories at election time because you believe all the propaganda from their paid publicity agents really ought to search your conscience. The tories are fascists and racists and their closest allies in Europe are the fascist scum running Poland. This is what you are supporting by your vote:
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Tom
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Tom
Fergie's politics are much the same as my own and while some might criticise him and label him as a champagne socialist, he has done far more good for this country both at home and overseas than all the tories around in his life.
Sir Alex shares the values of another Scot, Bill Shankly who remains revered in Liverpool for his achievements in an earlier period.
These are people who remained true to their roots and never forgot where they came from. Sadly, Shanks hasn't been around for quite some time but Fergie is fighting to recover from a serious brain condition. I wish him well in that endeavour.
Tom
Sir Alex shares the values of another Scot, Bill Shankly who remains revered in Liverpool for his achievements in an earlier period.
These are people who remained true to their roots and never forgot where they came from. Sadly, Shanks hasn't been around for quite some time but Fergie is fighting to recover from a serious brain condition. I wish him well in that endeavour.
Tom
Just in case you din't know already........
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Boris is at it again in the Daily Mail
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Boris goes to war on 'crazy' No 10 Brexit trade plan: Foreign Secretary warns the customs partnership would leave Britain tied to EU with 'new web of bureaucracy'
So why did he claim we could stay in the single market and customs union in the run up to the referendum?
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Boris goes to war on 'crazy' No 10 Brexit trade plan: Foreign Secretary warns the customs partnership would leave Britain tied to EU with 'new web of bureaucracy'
So why did he claim we could stay in the single market and customs union in the run up to the referendum?
How about because he is a liar, a cheat, a self-publicist and a political opportunist? He's just another soundbite politician.
Tom
BJ and the ERG try to burn as many bridges with the EU as possible. That is classical slash and burn retreat battle tactic.
If you extrapolate the result of the last local elections, the conservatives are going to lose power at the next GE and we'll get a coalition government which will extend the transition period until a second referendum.
David Willetts, nowadays Lord Willetts, his barony awarded for loyal service to the tory right wing including policy creation so extreme that Thatcher herself would have baulked at it, is at it again:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
This is an example of how tories think and stinks of anti-humanitarian, live for today and sod tomorrow idealism, which is part of the doctrine of fascism. Willetts and the majority of tory politicians would happily abandon the older generation, starving them to death like IDS, Esther McVey and their ilk have been doing in recent years. They would love to extend their evil policies and ultimately kill off not only the old but the sick and unemployed on a grand scale. Political opponents would be suppressed just as in 1930s Germany.
It says much that the BBC and the propaganda sheets headline this trash along with the news that the rail companies seek to regularise fares in order that they can increase their profits while forcing working class commuters into poverty. With such control over the media, they believe they can get away with anything.
The 'Big Society'? I think not - it's them and us and the 'them' are seeking to widen the gulf between the haves and the have-nots like never before.
Tom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44029808
This is an example of how tories think and stinks of anti-humanitarian, live for today and sod tomorrow idealism, which is part of the doctrine of fascism. Willetts and the majority of tory politicians would happily abandon the older generation, starving them to death like IDS, Esther McVey and their ilk have been doing in recent years. They would love to extend their evil policies and ultimately kill off not only the old but the sick and unemployed on a grand scale. Political opponents would be suppressed just as in 1930s Germany.
It says much that the BBC and the propaganda sheets headline this trash along with the news that the rail companies seek to regularise fares in order that they can increase their profits while forcing working class commuters into poverty. With such control over the media, they believe they can get away with anything.
The 'Big Society'? I think not - it's them and us and the 'them' are seeking to widen the gulf between the haves and the have-nots like never before.
Tom
The story pushed out yesterday by 'The Independent' is interesting but leaves me feeling a little bit ambivalent.
brexit-ehic-holidays-health-insurance-europe-meps-kidney-dialysis-hunt-a8336776.html
I suspect the only way for British people to continue to enjoy the benefits of the EHIC card is the cancellation of 'Brexit' and the restoration of normal relations with the EU.
What troubles me about the the arguments put forward such as the treatment for dialysis patients is how do holidaymakers arrange such a major treatment, not to mention expensive, in a foreign clinic? I can understand ex-pats suffering conditions that come about in old age but I don't get the traveller/holidaymaker part.
Another difficulty I have with the argument is that those with potentially fatal conditions have little or no chance of arranging travel insurance to include medical costs - I know this for a fact! - so what are they doing travelling abroad? Repatriation costs for returning a body to the UK are astronomical.
Where I do agree with the group of MEPs who have written to Jeremy Hunt is in the part attributed to Caroline Bearder, LibDem MEP, in which they all seem agreed:
“Whatever the Brexit deal looks like, the British people should have the final say on whether they think it is as good as the deal we have now inside the EU.”
Tom
brexit-ehic-holidays-health-insurance-europe-meps-kidney-dialysis-hunt-a8336776.html
I suspect the only way for British people to continue to enjoy the benefits of the EHIC card is the cancellation of 'Brexit' and the restoration of normal relations with the EU.
What troubles me about the the arguments put forward such as the treatment for dialysis patients is how do holidaymakers arrange such a major treatment, not to mention expensive, in a foreign clinic? I can understand ex-pats suffering conditions that come about in old age but I don't get the traveller/holidaymaker part.
Another difficulty I have with the argument is that those with potentially fatal conditions have little or no chance of arranging travel insurance to include medical costs - I know this for a fact! - so what are they doing travelling abroad? Repatriation costs for returning a body to the UK are astronomical.
Where I do agree with the group of MEPs who have written to Jeremy Hunt is in the part attributed to Caroline Bearder, LibDem MEP, in which they all seem agreed:
“Whatever the Brexit deal looks like, the British people should have the final say on whether they think it is as good as the deal we have now inside the EU.”
Tom
Woosh, the fantasy continues, on what basis can one assume that if in a future,the UK having left the EU , then held a referendum, seeking membership, that the EU would comply?
My experience of life is that change happens and thereafter things have changed, . "The past is another country.".
An assumption that conditions would be the same for what would be an aspirant country, are the stuff of fantasy.
real politik.
The EU needs the UK a lot more than most of its other members, with the exception of the core 6.
If that happens it will have two effects.
The first is that the longer we drag it on, playing for time, the tougher the EU demands.
In keeping with that, the intrinsic divisions in a coalition would make concessions to the EU more certain.
End result, Brino.
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I much prefer JC to come out in support of joining the EEA (Norway model) as soon as possible.
That will clear the way for a decisive battle between JRM and his band of merrymen and Parliament.
The loss of the UK is a blow to the E U, certainly, but the EU is not just the core 6, it is the 26, . Real politik is one thing , but individual national and international aspirations another. If you think that the UK was driven by real politik ,in selecting BREXIt then I have this bridge in London i want to sell you...
The EU has a parliament, and shared sovereignty, so even were the big six to want something they might not get it. Germany is for obvious reasons looking East and would not willingly scupper the Poles or the Baltic states. There are historical bonds going back to the Hanseatic League .... Italy's hinterland is the countries of middle europe .around the corner from Venice.
As a youngster, we lived in North City Dublin, and the airport was a good six miles away. Nonetheless, from our garden, we could hear the jet engines being tested in the hangers...
I don't know or care whether that is a complment or otherwise..( my gut suggests the otherwise).. My only point in this discussion is that when the UK leaves , if it then seeks to re-enter , it will be under different terms and conditions. A point which seems to be escaping your British decision makers.
A new fun game for you
spot which (if any) of these differing statements are true.
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Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, has launched a public assault on one of Theresa May’s proposals for a customs partnership after Brexit as ‘crazy’ in a major intervention.
Mr Johnson said proposals favoured by the Prime Minister would create a “whole new web of bureaucracy” in remarks before a Cabinet meeting at Downing Street on Tuesday.
But the Prime Minister's official spokesman said Ms May continues to have full confidence in Mr Johnson and claimed the issue was not discussed at the Cabinet meeting.
Source: The Independent
spot which (if any) of these differing statements are true.
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Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, has launched a public assault on one of Theresa May’s proposals for a customs partnership after Brexit as ‘crazy’ in a major intervention.
Mr Johnson said proposals favoured by the Prime Minister would create a “whole new web of bureaucracy” in remarks before a Cabinet meeting at Downing Street on Tuesday.
But the Prime Minister's official spokesman said Ms May continues to have full confidence in Mr Johnson and claimed the issue was not discussed at the Cabinet meeting.
Source: The Independent
I don't think it will seek to re-enter for some time, may be a generation, but in the mean time, the EU is still its best friend and partner in the whole world.