Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

how about 'EU plot to increase own income' - the EU budget in 2018 shows year on year increase of spending by 8.13% (2018: Eur 145,425,106,549).
The UK is roughly responsible for 10% of the total.
I am neutral on the subject of spending by the EU, partly because only 10% of the budget is spent on administration, but it is clear that its ambition is to grow its 'own resource' income, import duty (23 billions), VAT (17 billions).
The contribution by net contributors goes up by 15% in one year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/DB/2018/en/GenRev.pdf

 

[Danidl]

how about 'EU plot to increase own income' - the EU budget in 2018 shows year on year increase of spending by 8.13% (2018: Eur 145,425,106,549).
The UK is roughly responsible for 10% of the total.
I am neutral on the subject of spending by the EU, partly because only 10% of the budget is spent on administration, but it is clear that its ambition is to grow its 'own resource' income, import duty (23 billions), VAT (17 billions).
The contribution by net contributors goes up by 15% in one year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/DB/2018/en/GenRev.pdf

And what about the additional monies that the UK will be required to spend on its own internal services, after opting out of shared services?. Additional customs, additional industrial standards , compliance checking, policing its borders , buying or acquiring land and building customs clearance facilities... None of which are a productive use of resources. In the olden days when Britain ruled the waves Lex brittainia was all that mattered,and the opinions of all other courts were subservient to the British courts. That is no longer true, and britian will need an army of lawyers

 

[Woosh]

And what about the additional monies that the UK will be required to spend on its own internal services, after opting out of shared services?. Additional customs, additional industrial standards , compliance checking, policing its borders , buying or acquiring land and building customs clearance facilities... None of which are a productive use of resources. In the olden days when Britain ruled the waves Lex brittainia was all that mattered,and the opinions of all other courts were subservient to the British courts. That is no longer true, and britian will need an army of lawyers

we can stay very close to the EU - even pay part of the running cost, like Norway.

 

[oldgroaner]

Why bother? Just plead insanity and ask for brexit to be cancelled

we can stay very close to the EU - even pay part of the running cost, like Norway.

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[oldtom]

'D-Notices'.......?

Why would the British government be issuing these in 2018 over the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter?

5998-two-d-notices-for-skripal-affair

Tom

 

[tommie]

And what about the additional monies that the UK will be required to spend on its own internal services,

Dan, Dan, you folk are really missing out,
catch yerselves on and get back into the UK, aren`t you still part of the British Isles??
BTW how much do you still owe back to the Brits and the European Central Bank after your bailout???!!

 

[flecc]

Why would the British government be issuing these in 2018 over the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter?

As a way of suppressing a story that has become embarrassing and could get even more so. Like many I'm already satisfied that the Novichoc story was false and that the agent used on the Skripals was the temporary incapacitating agent BZ.

The approved Swiss Laboratory Spiez effectively confirmed that when they said that the work they did for the OPCW was confidential so they could not discuss what was in their findings.

If they did not find BZ which the Russians claimed they did, they would be free to say so since it would not have been mentioned in their report to OPCW and therefore would have been no more subject to confidentiality than what they had for breakfast.
.

 

[Zlatan]

how about 'EU plot to increase own income' - the EU budget in 2018 shows year on year increase of spending by 8.13% (2018: Eur 145,425,106,549).
The UK is roughly responsible for 10% of the total.
I am neutral on the subject of spending by the EU, partly because only 10% of the budget is spent on administration, but it is clear that its ambition is to grow its 'own resource' income, import duty (23 billions), VAT (17 billions).
The contribution by net contributors goes up by 15% in one year.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/budget/data/DB/2018/en/GenRev.pdf

I wonder if that's anything to do with EU's reluctance to let us leave ??

 

[oldgroaner]

I wonder if that's anything to do with EU's reluctance to let us leave ??

Naturally, but so what?

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[flecc]

I wonder if that's anything to do with EU's reluctance to let us leave ??

Of course, they don't want to lose their income from us.

It's going to come down to principles versus money, subject to them being unable to let us have a deal that's better than membership, since they'd all want that.
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[Danidl]

Dan, Dan, you folk are really missing out,
catch yerselves on and get back into the UK, aren`t you still part of the British Isles??
BTW how much do you still owe back to the Brits and the European Central Bank after your bailout???!!

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I would much prefer to call it Islands of the North Atlantic.. or IONA for short... It should appeal to both us, yourselves, as you can justly claim Colmcille, and the Scots..

 

[oldgroaner]

The Express are managing to present EU subsidies as bribes now
"
REVEALED: Brexit wrecker's EU handouts - Duke of Wellington pocketed farming subsidies
THE House of Lords ringleader defying the will of the people over Brexit receives significant EU land subsidies for his vast country estate. The Duke of Wellington is chief among a group of unelected peers who have helped inflict 14 defeats on the Government’s flagship Brexit legislation in the Lords."

No doubt some idiots will fall for this BS as usual

It would be pertinent to observe that the people who are all in favour of Brexit want to protect their off shore investments.
And have no interest on the poorer people who's jobs they put at risk.

 

[oldtom]

This really is unacceptable and could easily be eradicated if newspaper owners and the journalists and editors responsible faced long prison sentences for publishing such evil propaganda material:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/may/09/sunday-telegraph-pays-substantial-damages-to-london-mosque-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

Tom

 

[Woosh]

I thought the brexiteers in TM's cabinet would never accept the transition to last a day longer that what's agreed. Well, I was wrong.

plan that could see UK tied to customs union for YEARS more

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5712729/Brexit-compromise-longer-transition-clean-break.html#ixzz5F5i6PzcU

if it is just it, I reckon TM should graciously accept this plan. 4-5 years from now, brexit probably still means brexit.

One reader commented:

The UK is making the cake and the EU is eating it..

 

[flecc]

This really is unacceptable and could easily be eradicated if newspaper owners and the journalists and editors responsible faced long prison sentences for publishing such evil propaganda material:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/may/09/sunday-telegraph-pays-substantial-damages-to-london-mosque-chief?CMP=share_btn_tw

Tom

Disgusting, and the reporter responsible was Andrew Gilligan.

He worked for the BBC up until 2004, but resigned in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry, after Lord Hutton questioned the reliability of Gilligan's evidence.

After resigning he was offered a job at The Spectator by its editor, Boris Johnson, two liars together.

The establishment awarded him "Journalist of the Year" in 2008 for his investigative reporting of Ken Livingstone. It was of course proved later that all the accusations against Livingstone were false, after Ken asked the Metropolitan Police to investigate them thoroughly.

Clearly this leopard doesn't change his spots and he has no place in honest journalism.
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[oldtom]

It's great to know that there are still some students in our universities prepared to think for themselves. Sadly, the faculty seems to be ignoring their protest and intends to re-hang the picture elsewhere:

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/05/09/the-recognition-she-deserves-theresa-mays-portrait-removed-after-protest-by-oxford-university-students/

Tom

 

[oldtom]

This from 'Ad Sinistram' would be enough to sink a government were we living in the mid 20th century; today, though, we live in a time when no politician resigns when they **** up, only exiting the scene when the weight of public opinion and media delight in such matters can no longer be denied and is unlikely to go away.

The discontinuation of the Leveson inquiry is absolutely appalling and goes against all that is decent and proper in civilised society. It comes at a time when the government have had to issue D-Notices in order to suppress the truth about their total failure in the Salisbury poisoning incident and lest anyone forget, the Leveson inquiry was into the illegal and immoral investigative and reporting techniques used by the media.

In essence, the media have lied on behalf of their friends in the tory party and are now withholding further comment on the matter, again in support of their partners in crime. In my view the Leveson inquiry should be reconvened as soon as possible and there should be a public inquiry held to discover why the government wished to terminate it and on what grounds with whose advice.

It's hardly a surprise that Theresa May gets such an easy ride from the majority of the British press...

The Tories narrowly defeated (by 9 votes) the bid to make them carry out the much needed part two of the #Leveson inquiry. Instead, the people responsible for hacking dead school children and soldiers phones will be left to regulate themselves. Think they've changed? It was only recently that S*n reporters were caught posing as family members of victims after the #Manchester bombing to gain access to them in hospital.

I have no doubt that the #Windrush scandal and #Grenfell will be treated in exactly the same way; pay lip service, a round of virtue signalling, wait for public outrage to subside and then bury the issue and move on.

Tom

 

[tommie]

More Republic of Ireland companies jumping ship
Great to see Brexit creating more jobs in N.I.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44055525
Brexit sees Irish software firm create 85 jobs in Belfast
By Julian O'Neill BBC News NI Business Correspondent

Cork-based Teamwork.com is opening the Belfast office as part of its planning for Brexit
An Irish software company is opening an office in Belfast - creating 85 new jobs - as part of its planning for Brexit.

Cork-based Teamwork.com said the move would protect access to the UK market if there is no free trade deal.

The company's clients include Netflix, Disney and Spotify.

It said: "Being in Northern Ireland will ensure we can tap into the great talent pool on offer and access the UK market in the future."

 

[oldgroaner]

More Republic of Ireland companies jumping ship
Great to see Brexit creating more jobs in N.I.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44055525
Brexit sees Irish software firm create 85 jobs in Belfast
By Julian O'Neill BBC News NI Business Correspondent

Cork-based Teamwork.com is opening the Belfast office as part of its planning for Brexit
An Irish software company is opening an office in Belfast - creating 85 new jobs - as part of its planning for Brexit.

Cork-based Teamwork.com said the move would protect access to the UK market if there is no free trade deal.

The company's clients include Netflix, Disney and Spotify.

It said: "Being in Northern Ireland will ensure we can tap into the great talent pool on offer and access the UK market in the future."

Some small and insignificant companies are bound to do this sort of thing, which is insignificant compared to the real problems, so don't imagine this amounts to much of a "Brexit Bonus"

You would get more jobs from the opening of the average Mc Donald's Branch, our local one has 110 employees (of a sort) on it's books.

 

[Danidl]

More Republic of Ireland companies jumping ship
Great to see Brexit creating more jobs in N.I.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44055525
Brexit sees Irish software firm create 85 jobs in Belfast
By Julian O'Neill BBC News NI Business Correspondent

Cork-based Teamwork.com is opening the Belfast office as part of its planning for Brexit
An Irish software company is opening an office in Belfast - creating 85 new jobs - as part of its planning for Brexit.

Cork-based Teamwork.com said the move would protect access to the UK market if there is no free trade deal.

The company's clients include Netflix, Disney and Spotify.

It said: "Being in Northern Ireland will ensure we can tap into the great talent pool on offer and access the UK market in the future."

Not Irish companies jumping ship, you need to see the backstory... . There are capable software graduates in the NI colleges, underemployed, so the comment "great talent pool .", is valid .. . Cork is saturated , the Apple company for instance with its 5.5K staff , has absorbed all the resources in that area. Would that company come to Dublin? .. no Microsoft and IBM have absorbed a lot of that resource there also, as well as all the second tier software houses. So Belfast offers the last large pool of competent underemployed software talent.
In addition there is extensive geo locked access to software platforms, e.g Now TV, BBC player, so software testing needs to be done in the market where it will be used.
I hope it doesn't happen, but if the Craigavon TV centre were to close.,.. Which does all the in warranty repairs for all the major TV brands in Ireland, I suspect that it would negate those 85 potential jobs.