Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

It may well be , who knows. Google " members leaving labour party" and figures vary by large amounts. The number leaving doesn't affect point tho. Seems strange that folk willing to donate to party simply leave, making situation worse, (last month folk were leaving ovrr Corbyn's Brexit stance, this month its anti semitism)rather than fighting their corner. Its a very superficial attitude, join Labour party to support Corbyn and a few months later leave ? Have they changed their own principles or assumed they have no influence ? Begs question why join in first place. It should be a decision based on principles, and as much as I disagree with stance taken on a few things with Corbyn, the one thing he has not changed with is his principles. Suppose its modern ethos, depends what folk read last night ?

Time for your to "give it up" Zlatan, meaning the way your hatred of socialism and Jeremy Corbyn is distorting your views.

The evidence continues to show that today's Labour party is the only one appealing to the electorate. The others suffer continued slumping support, some now an irrelevance.
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[oyster]

'A lot of Japanese companies are concerned with the prospect of the Brexit,' senior minister warns

If we really, really want to be in control of our country and our future, we need not to be owned and controlled by Japan (among many others). The very fact that so much real estate, so many companies, indeed such so much of the UK is foreign-owned, the fact that we are utterly reliant on food imports, etc., etc., means that we cannot fully control our own country.

This is not an argument that the Japanese investment isn't welcome, that no-one other that UK passport holders resident in the UK should own anything. Rather, a recognition that this is the reality of the world.

 

[tillson]

I wish JC luck.

I have edited and italicised my "bit" sorry for not being clearer...
The 17,000 seem to have just quit, if they hadn't and gone somewhere else...
Oh! that will be tomorows headline!
French involvement? really? how did that come up I wonder?

17,000 have quit the Labour party? I imagine Corbyn is quite disappointed with that figure, I thought he was aiming higher, more likely the 100,000+ mark. He need to make further lunatic appointments if he is ever to reach his goal.

 

[Danidl]

I took the figures from the HoC. Only the conservatives don't want the HoC to reveal the true figure.
The membership of the Labour party is greater than the rest added together.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05125

The endemic anti-semitism in all the major UK parties is rooted more in the classes (rich against poor) than xenophobia or outright racism. The recent noises made in the media (including the BBC) just make the 'them and us' worse. The Jewish communities in the UK add up to about 1% of the population and yet their political participation and influence are well prominent.

As before. I don't want to comment on internal British politics, but is it not the case that the large Labour party membership , as shown in that graphic has its basis in that the large trade unions and their membership have automatic membership?

 

[oldgroaner]

As before. I don't want to comment on internal British politics, but is it not the case that the large Labour party membership , as shown in that graphic has its basis in that the large trade unions and their membership have automatic membership?

No
"Members of trade unions affiliated to the Labour party can join at a reduced rate. Please fill in your details and select your affiliated trade union to join at this rate. Follow this link to be redirected to the online joining form.

 

[Woosh]

As before. I don't want to comment on internal British politics, but is it not the case that the large Labour party membership , as shown in that graphic has its basis in that the large trade unions and their membership have automatic membership?

no, many paid £5 to join - just to vote for JC in 2015. Many stay members.

 

[flecc]

As before. I don't want to comment on internal British politics, but is it not the case that the large Labour party membership , as shown in that graphic has its basis in that the large trade unions and their membership have automatic membership?

That automatic enrolment was removed long ago to negate Tory criticism. Trade unionists have to choose to join the Labour Party now.

The huge growth in membership has been fairly recent and may be as much due to dislike of the Tory government as liking Labour policies.
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[oldgroaner]

I'm not at all sure that this latest Corbyn attack by the Jewish Community is wise, when there are headlines like this around
From the independent in January
Israel accuses UN of bias as it carries out human rights review
Israel representative says there are an 'unparalleled number of one-sided biased and political resolutions' against it
Israel has once again said a United Nations group has an anti-Israel bias ahead of a routine review of its overall human rights record.

Aviva Raz Shechter, Israel's ambassador to the Geneva-based, 47-member Human Rights Council that the “unparalleled number of one-sided biased and political resolutions adopted regularly by the automatic majority...testif[ies] not only to the unfair treatment of the State of Israel, but also to the deficiencies of the Council itself and its agenda.”

The Council have taken a strong position against Israel's continued occupation of territory seized in the 1967 Six-Day War, its treatment of Palestinians, and its building of Jewish settlements several times in the past."

Two things stand out here

1. Israel doesn't respond well to criticism
2. The local Jewish community may have stirred the public up enough for them to look at what is going on and not be in favour, it could even backfire in Corbyn's favour.

 

[flecc]

Israel accuses UN of bias as it carries out human rights review

They have refused to obey two UN resolutions requiring them to withdraw to the 1967 border and remove illegal West Bank settlements.

If they wish to be free of UN bias, they must first obey international law. Refusal to do so means they've automatically become a criminal state.
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[oldgroaner]

If we really, really want to be in control of our country and our future, we need not to be owned and controlled by Japan (among many others). The very fact that so much real estate, so many companies, indeed such so much of the UK is foreign-owned, the fact that we are utterly reliant on food imports, etc., etc., means that we cannot fully control our own country.

This is not an argument that the Japanese investment isn't welcome, that no-one other that UK passport holders resident in the UK should own anything. Rather, a recognition that this is the reality of the world.

And that situation is the fundamental flaw in the Brexiteer argument.
In reality our country was sold from under our feet long ago.and it means Brexit is doomed.

 

[oldgroaner]

They have refused to obey two UN resolutions requiring them to withdraw to the 1967 border and remove illegal West Bank settlements.

If they wish to be free of UN bias, they must first obey international law. Refusal to do so means they've automatically become a criminal state.
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It's rather like a Bank robber caught red handed by a Copper
And claiming Police Bias.

But it's worse really, as these jokers are offended if anyone dares to say they don't believe them.

 

[Zlatan]

no, many paid £5 to join - just to vote for JC in 2015. Many stay members.

Many paid the £5 but their memberships remain , even if in arrears.. They have to apply to leave.
Flecc
Give what up ? I dont hate Corbyn at all, I hate the fact ee dont have either a labour government or a labour party capable of gaining power, when with right policies and leader we could have had both by now.

 

[Woosh]

, even if in arrears.. They have to apply to leave.

maybe, still, they have to pay £3 a month membership fees.
The fact remains JC has managed to make do without big donations.

 

[flecc]

Give what up ? I dont hate Corbyn at all, I hate the fact we dont have either a labour government or a labour party capable of gaining power, when with right policies and leader we could have had both by now.

You've answered your own question, give up this nonsense:

"I hate the fact we dont have either a labour government or a labour party capable of gaining power"

1) Corbyn's is a true Labour government, i.e. Socialist.

2) It is capable of gaining power and is likely to at the next general election on present trends.

3) They are the only UK wide party with public popularity.

Your idea of "the right labour policies" is not socialism, it's Blairite centrist pseudo Conservatism, occupying the same ground as Liberalism and totally rejected by the electorate as the LibDems continuing failure shows.
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[tillson]

And that situation is the fundamental flaw in the Brexiteer argument.
In reality our country was sold from under our feet long ago.and it means Brexit is doomed.

What do you mean, "long ago"? The fire sale is still very much on. If its got value and the possibility of an earner, its for sale.

 

[flecc]

What do you mean, "long ago"? The fire sale is still very much on. If its got value and the possibility of an earner, its for sale.

That is what Brexit is all about now. Once they've sold everything else and Brexit fails, the government and ownership of the UK may be up for sale for a big enough cash consideration for those doing the selling.

Advertised as an "Attractive offshore island with strategic potential", the US, EU, Russian and Chinese bidding could be fun!
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[Zlatan]

You've answered your own question, give up this nonsense:

"I hate the fact we dont have either a labour government or a labour party capable of gaining power"

1) Corbyn's is a true Labour government, i.e. Socialist.

2) It is capable of gaining power and is likely to at the next general election on present trends.

3) They are the only UK wide party with public popularity.

Your idea of "the right labour policies" is not socialism, it's Blairite centrist pseudo Conservatism, occupying the same ground as Liberalism and totally rejected by the electorate as the LibDems continuing failure shows.
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You can call it whatever you like but I,d rather have a compromised Labour government than current .
Its rather ling odds current Labour ever getting in, but time will tell.
Having best ideals and policies out of power is futile and besides we should all hope for a government which represents the politics of vast majority of country. Suspect that would be what OG calls pink Tory. Our country is probably on the whole just left of centre but nobody is representing that middle ground. At moment excuses for both government and opposition are sticking to their origins.

 

[oldgroaner]

What do you mean, "long ago"? The fire sale is still very much on. If its got value and the possibility of an earner, its for sale.

I stand corrected!

 

[oldtom]

Life in the post-'Brexit' era will be difficult for countries outside of the major trading blocs but it will be especially so for the UK if this despicable anachronism ever becomes PM:



It is not just a coincidence that these two have been snapped together! They share much in common but an internet search reveals much about the people with whom Grease-Smug spends much of his time.

This old newspaper article is an example:

12579799.Tory_who_kept_right_on_stealing_cheques

It's important to know your enemy.

Tom

 

[flecc]

we should all hope for a government which represents the politics of vast majority of country.

I don't want that, remember my reminder that the majority get it wrong?

By far the most successful part of the UK is and has long been London, and London is always Labour and decidedly Remainer. Right on all counts as the success shows. If the rest of the country had any sense it would follow that example.
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