Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

At last OG...a post I totally agree with. Labour/ Corbyn are letting country down equally as bad as Tories. Corbyn,s stance is the root of all the argument. If he really did operate as an opposition government we would actually find out what country thinks. I thought that was whole point of opposition, without one a whole strata of opinion is not represented and we never find out if that strata represents a majority.
I really think Corbyn is frightened of power. The long game Flecc talks of I,m afraid will be bolting stable door when horse is way down street. I just don t get it. Labour and Corbyn are actually preventing democracy from working more so than JRM or Boris..at least they can claim a majority voted their way in ref and in keeping May in power..
Its absolutely barmy.

 

[Danidl]

At last OG...a post I totally agree with. Labour/ Corbyn are letting country down equally as bad as Tories. Corbyn,s stance is the root of all the argument. If he really did operate as an opposition government we would actually find out what country thinks. I thought that was whole point of opposition, without one a whole strata of opinion is not represented and we never find out if that strata represents a majority.
I really think Corbyn is frightened of power. The long game Flecc talks of I,m afraid will be bolting stable door when horse is way down street. I just don t get it. Labour and Corbyn are actually preventing democracy from working more so than JRM or Boris..at least they can claim a majority voted their way in ref and in keeping May in power..
Its absolutely barmy.

I am breaking my standing rule about not discussing British politicians, to agree with you. It is the function of an opposition to provide alternatives.

 

[oldgroaner]

At last OG...a post I totally agree with. Labour/ Corbyn are letting country down equally as bad as Tories. Corbyn,s stance is the root of all the argument. If he really did operate as an opposition government we would actually find out what country thinks. I thought that was whole point of opposition, without one a whole strata of opinion is not represented and we never find out if that strata represents a majority.
I really think Corbyn is frightened of power. The long game Flecc talks of I,m afraid will be bolting stable door when horse is way down street. I just don t get it. Labour and Corbyn are actually preventing democracy from working more so than JRM or Boris..at least they can claim a majority voted their way in ref and in keeping May in power..
Its absolutely barmy.

I completely agree! and it seems to get worse on a daily basis!

 

[Woosh]

BRINO is trending fast.
In a year's time, you'd be pushed to find anyone supporting hard brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

The burning question now is will the number of letters required to trigger a leadership contest reach 48? and assuming they do, which Imbecile will emerge to lead the charge?
Boris, Gove, or Jackass?

Mind you, you would have to be an idiot to step into the breech right now,when as Zlatan correctly pointed out even Corbyn is obviously shall we say reluctant to take power.

I think the best plan would be to conscript Davis into the position and play it for laughs, as a sort of booby prize for writing the original bill proposing the referendum.
And as icing on the cake make Lord Nigel our negotiator.
They think a lot of him over the channel.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Three former Tory cabinet ministers deny wrongdoing in selling Brexit advice to private firms
'Giving some special help to one company when that information is not generally available... is just not acceptable'
Three former Conservative Cabinet ministers have denied it is wrong to receive money in exchange for advising private companies about the Government's approach to Brexit.

During a joint investigation by Channel 4's Dispatches and The Sunday Times, former health secretary Lord Lansley, senior Tory MP Andrew Mitchell and former deputy leader of the party Peter Lilley were caught on camera discussing financial deals with a fictitious Chinese company in return for intelligence about Britain's exit from the European Union.

Research by Channel 4 found that a total of 20 MPs and former ministers have been paid by private companies for Brexit advice since the EU Referendum result in 2016.
Of those 20, the undercover team contacted 14 people to ask if they would be interested in using their government experience to help with commercial opportunities arising from Brexit.

Three of the politicians who accepted an interview with the fake Chinese company set up by reporters were included in Dispatches, which aired on Sunday at 7pm.

The investigation revealed what Lord Lansley, Mr Mitchell and Mr Lilley could offer the made-up company, Tianfen, in an advisory role.
Lord Lansley told undercover reporters that he has been advising a number of health and pharmaceutical companies on Brexit, and that any business contract with Tianfen could go through his wife's company Low Europe.

He also offered insight on key contacts that would help the company lobby the Government more effectively, but stated that he would not lobby or make introductions to specific ministers himself.

Mr Mitchell, MP for Sutton Coldfield, quoted a rate of £6,000 a day to work with Tianfen and told undercover reporters that he was already being paid for giving Brexit advice, including to private clients of a bank..

Nice work if you can get it eh? what is amazing is that anyone would pay for advice from these clowns, who clearly have no more idea of what Brexit will mean than the man in the moon

As the Americans say "Never give a sucker an even break"
Obviously they have found a means of making tillson's expression "The Goodness will flow." come true.

 

[oldgroaner]

"Lord Lansley told undercover reporters that he has been advising a number of health and pharmaceutical companies on Brexit, and that any business contract with Tianfen could go through his wife's company Low Europe."

And just who are LowEurope?
http://www.loweurope.eu/
"LOW is a strategic communications consultancy based in Brussels, with a network of associates across Europe.

How odd the man says

there should be a Brexit bonus for the NHS
https://mapbiopharma.com/blog/news/news-uk/2016/lord-andrew-lansley-on-brexit-bonus-for-nhs/
Note where he is saying this and to whom!

But he is associated with a consultancy on EU business opportunity promotion in the EU?

Think about that!

Perhaps this from 2014 in the Telegraph will give a clue
"
The leader of the House of Commons has said he would accept the job of becoming Britain's next European Commissioner.

Andrew Lansley, the former health secretary, indicated that he has already been asked by the Prime Minister to take up the role as he burnished his Eurosceptic credentials.

Asked whether he will serve as commissioner by Andrew Neil on BBC Two's Daily Politics, he replied: "If the prime minister asks me, I want to say yes."

Pressed on whether he had already been asked, Mr Lansley responded with silence. He then added: "My record will say I have taken positions against entry to the euro. I have been very much against the idea of ever closer union and constant integration."

"I supported the Prime Minister very much in the proposal that we should renegotiate and have a referendum with the objective of securing a renegotiation that allows us confidently to secure a yes vote that allows us to remain in the European Union."

With Brexit being on both sides is seen perhaps as being the best bet?

Is this what BRINO really means?

Ye Gods!

 

[tillson]

The burning question now is will the number of letters required to trigger a leadership contest reach 48? and assuming they do, which Imbecile will emerge to lead the charge?
Boris, Gove, or Jackass?

Ruth Davidson? Might need to get herself elected to the UK parliament first though.

 

[wheeler]

Ruth Davidson? Might need to get herself elected to the UK parliament first though.

I wouldn't call her an imbecile but she is a one trick pony. Her performance at Holyrood is to witter on about Indyref2, any attempt to get her to debate tory policies results in more wittering on Indyref2. In fact, the tory party branch office in Scotland does more talking about independence than those parties which support it.

She likes to be seen as some kind of action woman being photographed driving a tank, riding a buffalo etc. but she is one of those people who mistakes motion for action. I think her style, when contrasted with May, produces some some popularity in England but if she did rise to the dizzy heights of the tory party she would be completely lost without the SNP as her only target. The one thing she would do is continue the tory party's utter incompetence in government.

She was even more strongly for remain than May and hasn't really become a born again Brexiteer like May.

wheeler

 

[oldgroaner]

Strange how snippets of news surface and disappear again, this morning on Radio 4 it was announced that three German Car manufacturers (including VW) had been involved with an outside agency that has not only exposed Monkeys to Nitrous Oxide in tests, but twenty Humans too!
A three things spring to mind

1. Who authorised these tests?
   
2. Who were the other manufacturers and why were they not named?
3. I feel sorry for the Monkeys, who were not able to refuse the test.

Corporations seem willing to ignore regulations and laws everywhere these days and need to be penalised , or rather those individuals directly responsible do!

 

[flecc]

it was announced that three German Car manufacturers (including VW) had been involved

1. Who were the other manufacturers and why were they not named?

Mercedes and BMW ? Other German brands are just subsidiaries of those big three.

Of course all three could have been VW brands, in keeping with their recent evil image.

1. I feel sorry for the Monkeys, who were not able to refuse the test.

Not from EU countries though, so no protection. Maybe the twenty humans were immigrants from darkest Africa too.
.

 

[Kudoscycles]

From the Independent
"
Three former Tory cabinet ministers deny wrongdoing in selling Brexit advice to private firms
'Giving some special help to one company when that information is not generally available... is just not acceptable'
Three former Conservative Cabinet ministers have denied it is wrong to receive money in exchange for advising private companies about the Government's approach to Brexit.

During a joint investigation by Channel 4's Dispatches and The Sunday Times, former health secretary Lord Lansley, senior Tory MP Andrew Mitchell and former deputy leader of the party Peter Lilley were caught on camera discussing financial deals with a fictitious Chinese company in return for intelligence about Britain's exit from the European Union.

Research by Channel 4 found that a total of 20 MPs and former ministers have been paid by private companies for Brexit advice since the EU Referendum result in 2016.
Of those 20, the undercover team contacted 14 people to ask if they would be interested in using their government experience to help with commercial opportunities arising from Brexit.

Three of the politicians who accepted an interview with the fake Chinese company set up by reporters were included in Dispatches, which aired on Sunday at 7pm.

The investigation revealed what Lord Lansley, Mr Mitchell and Mr Lilley could offer the made-up company, Tianfen, in an advisory role.
Lord Lansley told undercover reporters that he has been advising a number of health and pharmaceutical companies on Brexit, and that any business contract with Tianfen could go through his wife's company Low Europe.

He also offered insight on key contacts that would help the company lobby the Government more effectively, but stated that he would not lobby or make introductions to specific ministers himself.

Mr Mitchell, MP for Sutton Coldfield, quoted a rate of £6,000 a day to work with Tianfen and told undercover reporters that he was already being paid for giving Brexit advice, including to private clients of a bank..

Nice work if you can get it eh? what is amazing is that anyone would pay for advice from these clowns, who clearly have no more idea of what Brexit will mean than the man in the moon

As the Americans say "Never give a sucker an even break"
Obviously they have found a means of making tillson's expression "The Goodness will flow." come true.

Would you pay any money to seek advice from any Tory MP about Brexit?
When,in all honesty,they dont know what Brexit means to the Tory party.
KudosDave

 

[tillson]

Strange how snippets of news surface and disappear again, this morning on Radio 4 it was announced that three German Car manufacturers (including VW) had been involved with an outside agency that has not only exposed Monkeys to Nitrous Oxide in tests, but twenty Humans too!
A three things spring to mind

1. Who authorised these tests?
   
2. Who were the other manufacturers and why were they not named?
3. I feel sorry for the Monkeys, who were not able to refuse the test.

Corporations seem willing to ignore regulations and laws everywhere these days and need to be penalised , or rather those individuals directly responsible do!

It's just a bit of traditional German fun. They have a history of exposing people to toxic gas, so what's new?

I agree regarding the monkeys, they have no choice in the matter.

 

[tillson]

Strange how snippets of news surface and disappear again, this morning on Radio 4 it was announced that three German Car manufacturers (including VW) had been involved with an outside agency that has not only exposed Monkeys to Nitrous Oxide in tests, but twenty Humans too!
A three things spring to mind

1. Who authorised these tests?
   
2. Who were the other manufacturers and why were they not named?
3. I feel sorry for the Monkeys, who were not able to refuse the test.

Corporations seem willing to ignore regulations and laws everywhere these days and need to be penalised , or rather those individuals directly responsible do!

......and in other news, Carillion continued to pay director and shareholder bonuses whilst knowingly neglecting to adequately fund the pension scheme. So the shortfall, which has gone into the pockets of a few wealthy individuals who don't really need the money, is made up by the average PAYE tax payer who could do with a bit of extra cash? How many times have we seen this happen, Rover, British Steel, BHS, the list goes on. It's a mechanism constructed and intended syphon hard earned pension savings and money paid in taxes into the pockets of criminals who wear expensive suits and shoes instead of shell suits and trainers. There is no difference.

I hope that the money these criminally minded people have stolen in some way brings illness and misfortune upon them and their families.

 

[oldgroaner]

......and in other news, Carillion continued to pay director and shareholder bonuses whilst knowingly neglecting to adequately fund the pension scheme. So the shortfall, which has gone into the pockets of a few wealthy individuals who don't really need the money, is made up by the average PAYE tax payer who could do with a bit of extra cash? How many times have we seen this happen, Rover, British Steel, BHS, the list goes on. It's a mechanism constructed and intended syphon hard earned pension savings and money paid in taxes into the pockets of criminals who wear expensive suits and shoes instead of shell suits and trainers. There is no difference.

I hope that the money these criminally minded people have stolen in some way brings illness and misfortune upon them and their families.

The money paid out as bonuses and dividends should be recalled as Stolen Property from the Shareholders and Directors .

 

[Danidl]

Strange how snippets of news surface and disappear again, this morning on Radio 4 it was announced that three German Car manufacturers (including VW) had been involved with an outside agency that has not only exposed Monkeys to Nitrous Oxide in tests, but twenty Humans too!
A three things spring to mind

1. Who authorised these tests?
   
2. Who were the other manufacturers and why were they not named?
3. I feel sorry for the Monkeys, who were not able to refuse the test.

Corporations seem willing to ignore regulations and laws everywhere these days and need to be penalised , or rather those individuals directly responsible do!

Is this not the active ingredient in viagra in heart attack medicine and in laughting gas? .. so perhaps all were enjoying the experience.

 

[Danidl]

......and in other news, Carillion continued to pay director and shareholder bonuses whilst knowingly neglecting to adequately fund the pension scheme. So the shortfall, which has gone into the pockets of a few wealthy individuals who don't really need the money, is made up by the average PAYE tax payer who could do with a bit of extra cash? How many times have we seen this happen, Rover, British Steel, BHS, the list goes on. It's a mechanism constructed and intended syphon hard earned pension savings and money paid in taxes into the pockets of criminals who wear expensive suits and shoes instead of shell suits and trainers. There is no difference.

I hope that the money these criminally minded people have stolen in some way brings illness and misfortune upon them and their families.

Wealthy people need money even more. Otherwise they won't be wealthy and in any event they have more experience in spending it... those boats dont sell themselves

 

[tillson]

The money paid out as bonuses and dividends should be recalled as Stolen Property from the Shareholders and Directors .

It should and there is a mechanism for doing so under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

 

[oldgroaner]

The Sun gives a classic example of how to distort events to Further a Political Agenda
"
BREXIT BOASTING
EU leaders brag about adopting Brexit transition guidelines in just TWO minutes – where they say we must abide by all their rules but have NO say in them


Brussels’ negotiator said Britain will get ‘status quo transition without institutional representation’ – meaning we will not get a vote on any new regulations for almost two years"

When it doesn't suit them, a simple statement of fact becomes "Boasting"?
Still it should suit the mental age of the average Sun reader. and the agenda of the Rabid Brexit Mp's

 

[oldgroaner]

It's just a bit of traditional German fun. They have a history of exposing people to toxic gas, so what's new?

I agree regarding the monkeys, have no choice in the matter.

In fact you would have thought they had a surfeit of knowledge on the subject, rather more information than you could get out of 20 Dumb animals (and the Monkeys too)