Here is some more from 'AAV':
https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/the-carillion-collapse-is-textbook.html
Tom
https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/the-carillion-collapse-is-textbook.html
Tom
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Absolute power corrupts........remember?
You control the media like this.......
You appoint the cruellest, nastiest, self-serving toadies to ensure the rich become wealthier and the poor die off......
And all the while, this is going on.......capitalism in action in 21st century Britain:
Meanwhile, the country whose capitalists are trying to gain control over our NHS to increase their already staggering wealth by bribing the tory party, is the worst example of the very capitalism that tories worship......
How sad!
Tom
You control the media like this.......
You appoint the cruellest, nastiest, self-serving toadies to ensure the rich become wealthier and the poor die off......
And all the while, this is going on.......capitalism in action in 21st century Britain:
Meanwhile, the country whose capitalists are trying to gain control over our NHS to increase their already staggering wealth by bribing the tory party, is the worst example of the very capitalism that tories worship......
How sad!
Tom
about that article,
"At its core is the fallacy of 'Europe' as something distinct from the UK; an extrinsic force over there, doing wicked things over here. In truth, Europe was part-British, as it was part-French and part-German."
there lies the rub. Brexiters are generally not happy with the size of the British part. It should be bigger than those with smaller economies (or armies or contributions).
How true.
Unfortunately only a very small minority see through the this thin veneer. Owning the latest i phone is more important.
No, it's a partnership of equals, as much about principles as anything else. The long term intention is union and that requires a basis of equality.
In any case an unequal partnership couldn't work over time since economies change and that would entail altering the rules all the time as positions changed.
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if you go into a commercial partnership, then your voting share is usually proportional to your share of capital. There are of course other classes of shares that confer some additional voting rights but 'democracy by shareholding' is by far the easiest way to preserve long term associations.
As I said, the EU is far from being only a commercial partnership.
But you highlight exactly what has been wrong with Britains relationship with the EU from the outset, viewing it and treating it as something that it isn't.
You don't join a golf club if you want to play tennis.
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No, you join a golf club to "network" and contrive dodgy deals. Tennis is too energetic, not enough breath for "business talk". Mind you, " The Stonecutters" is an alternative.
well, many brexiters believe that they were lied to by the conservative in 1975, that the EU was primarily a commercial grouping.
True, just as they were lied to even more extensively in the referendum. But in both the truth was readily available for those with half a brain.
I'll mention again the group of English women who days after the referendum were asked their views about the result by a TV reporter. They were all baffled by his question, didn't know there had been a referendum and didn't know what it was about. One at least clearly didn't know what the word referendum meant.
How can we even consider the views of people of such current affairs ignorance in such a matter as Brexit? We might as well give dogs a paw print vote or toss a coin.
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On a back of envelope type calculation and assuming that 10 grams of coffee bean makes a cup, 3 million tonnes is 3*10 ^9 kgm or 3*10^11 cups of coffee consumed in the EU annually. If these are consumed in say Starbucks or equivalent at 1euro a cup... This comes to an economic cost of 3*10^11 euro... If only 10% are .(. which might be more reasonable) the number is 3 thousand billion euro in retail sales.Clearly data is going to be a bit out of date, but that was the best I could find last night when I had a quick look.
I've found this from 2016 now, which shows, Brazil is still more than Vietnam.
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/EDN-20170929-1
Interestingly the amount imported into the EU is only up 10% on 10 years ago. So the amount of coffee we're drinking doesn't seem to be going up dramatically... just perhaps the way we drink it and the amount we pay for it.
"In 2016, the European Union (EU) imported almost 3 million tonnes of coffee from abroad, 10% more than 10 years ago. The imports were worth €6.9 billion."
A 500gram bag of coffee costs 3 euro retail so the value in retail sales in the EU is 1.8^10 not a bad mark up on a commodity costing 7*10^8!
I would assume this is what would happen. History is a good guide. Some blacksmiths went into fixing and building bikes and agricultural kit, then bike manufacturers came along and the small builders became agents and sellers, then dynamos came along, then radios came along and the bike shops made money charging the wet cells . Some found it more lucrative to concentrate on radio repair, others stayed with bikes and toys. TVs were much to difficult to repair and took over the radio shops...
the e-bike market is going through an explosive growth phase in the last 2-3 years, perhaps a little more for Chinese e-bikes than EU made/assembled e-bikes. The difference is not much but enough to give ammunition to the EBMA. My Chinese suppliers told me that they are seeing 22% increase in order book this year compared to last and expect the same in 2018.
Whenever there is a change of pace, people get on the wagon then off the wagon. What is most noticeable is the rate that LBSes take up e-bikes. It goes up at an astonishing speed. It could well be the result of big brands developing their own lines of e-bikes.
I am not speculating on winners and losers, one thing is clear: the changes benefit the consumers.
That is an excellent article but will fail to impress the 'Brexidiots' or cause them to re-think their stupid fantasy. Why?......Simply because they were never concerned with the economics involved, preferring the dream promised by the snake-oil salesmen which centred upon stopping foreigners entering the UK, and in the minds of some, deporting all the foreigners already in the UK.
Farage and the gang of tory, fascist proponents of 'Brexit' created the monster which has overshadowed all other political matters for the last 18 months and those same tory fascists have had ample opportunity since 2010 to change the face of the UK and enrich the people but have very deliberately chosen not to so do.
The tories have made a complete arse of everything they have touched during their time in office and will be remembered for their cruelty to school leavers hoping to attend university plus the disabled, the jobless, the families of those dying because the NHS is no longer fit for purpose, not forgetting all the others who continue to suffer under the ongoing austerity programme.......in three words - food bank Britain!
Only the ignoramuses of society could possibly imagine that a government so incompetent and heartless as the tory scum currently in office might somehow transform the UK into some Shangri-La paradise, through exiting the EU.
Tom
I think that's probably true.
Over a decade ago only one known bike maker had e-bikes in their range, that was Giant. The larger Giant LBSs sometimes had one of the cheapest model in stock, but overall it meant e-bikes were an oddity which few of the public ever saw or were aware of.
The recent scene is very different, many LBSs and chains like Halfords and Evans having e-bikes on show, sometimes of familiar bicycle brands.
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This from Ruth Cadbury, Labour MP for Brentford and Isleworth:
The EU (Withdrawal) Bill is in the Commons for its report stage and third reading today.
Labour won’t give the Tories a blank cheque to cut rights or side-line Parliament. That’s why we have repeatedly called for the Government to make significant changes to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill.
But the Government haven’t listened. They’ve been forced to allow a meaningful vote on the final deal – which is important, but it’s not sufficient to make this Bill acceptable. In the other five areas we raised, the Bill is as bad now as it was when it was published.
So unless the Government finally changes course and listens to Labour’s concerns, we will be voting against the Bill at Third Reading
A wide range of organisations have also highlighted their opposition to the Bill including the TUC, the Hansard Society, the Equalities and Human Rights Commission and the Institute for Government. The Welsh and Scottish Governments have also indicated they will vote against Legislative Consent motions.
Tom
The EU (Withdrawal) Bill is in the Commons for its report stage and third reading today.
Labour won’t give the Tories a blank cheque to cut rights or side-line Parliament. That’s why we have repeatedly called for the Government to make significant changes to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill.
But the Government haven’t listened. They’ve been forced to allow a meaningful vote on the final deal – which is important, but it’s not sufficient to make this Bill acceptable. In the other five areas we raised, the Bill is as bad now as it was when it was published.
So unless the Government finally changes course and listens to Labour’s concerns, we will be voting against the Bill at Third Reading
A wide range of organisations have also highlighted their opposition to the Bill including the TUC, the Hansard Society, the Equalities and Human Rights Commission and the Institute for Government. The Welsh and Scottish Governments have also indicated they will vote against Legislative Consent motions.
Tom
there lies the danger of over supply.
E-bikes are perishable goods, unlike normal bikes.
How interesting that the Government is calling for an enquiry into the affairs of the directors of Carillion.
A better response would be
A better response would be
- A enquiry into the actions of the Government
- Take back the bonuses and share dividends paid
- Make the Directors and Shareholders responsible for filling the holes left in the Pension funds.
- If any have broken the law, prosecute them.