It was I who posted about duty on coffee.
The WTO has done a good job of bringing down overall tariffs over the years, but the EU should not charge more duty on instant coffee than green coffee beans.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The WTO has done a good job of bringing down overall tariffs over the years, but the EU should not charge more duty on instant coffee than green coffee beans.
the EU doesn't charge any duty at all to all but 3 coffee exporting countries, and to those 3 its only 2.6%. Isn't it??
The 3 countries that are effected are all due to have agreements in place soon, to bring it down to 0.
See point 13. in the twitter thread.
Or is he wrong? I'm not claiming to know, by the way. I'm keen to learn.
How quick of you OG..I don't think many of the posters oldtom puts up are likely to appear in the Daily Mail, do you?
The EU will address this problem soon but as far as I am aware, the EU still charge import duty to GSP+ on coffee.
green beans: 0%
green bean but decaffeinated: 4.8%
roasted beans decaffeinated: 3.1%
roasted beans but NOT decaffeinated: 2.6%
coffee substitute but containing coffee: 8%
extract, essence of coffee: 3.1%
Preparations with a basis of extracts, essences or concentrates or with a basis of coffee: 8%
They are punished for processing their own coffee before exporting.
Too moderate?I don't think many of the posters oldtom puts up are likely to appear in the Daily Mail, do you?
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Where have you got that data from? I can't see how the countries can be exempt from quota / tariff and then you seem to be suggesting they are being charged it.
that's the spirit! insisting on being right (and that everyone's full of shite and incapable of change) is key to a good brexit debate. contempt is optional (but really helps, I'm not waiting for Weetabix, I'm tapping away one handed from a work urinal)
As baffling to us in the UK as to anyone else, and it's not just public services. Public equipment procurement is just as guilty, all things we once made in the UK get shut down while government buys from abroad or encourages others to do so.
Prominent examples are trains and most recently wind turbine blades. Even the British food products that we produce in jars, Marmite for example, have the glass jars bought from mainland Germany, and staggeringly, even the printed labels. In the country that produced Pilkington and Caxton, why?
It seems as though government have a death wish for British industry, all the more ridiculous at a time when we may shortly have to survive in isolation.
Maybe one day we'll erect a large sign on the cliffs of Dover, Country for Sale. We've sold much of what's in it to foreigners.
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The GSP+ get zero tariff on a range of industrial goods (including bikes and e-bikes), on foods, there are tariffs.
http://www.ico.org/documents/icc-107-7e-tariffs-trade.pdf
it's still valid.
Whilst I'm not doubting that document, two things jump out at me from first read.
1) its from 2011!
2) its got different rates for the EU, Norway and Switzerland.
So are you sure that your information is up to date?
I refer you again to the EU page about this.
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/tradehelp/everything-arms
The Everything But Arms scheme grants full duty free and quota free access to the EU Single Market for all products (except arms and armaments).
All products..... it doesn't say all products except for certain types of coffee.... does it?
For me, there is no justification for the continuation in perpetuity of such an expensive charade. They should be effectively retired or better still, sold off to the Germans or Americans.....or indeed anyone who wishes to have them.......all of them! Somehow, I can't imagine too many bidders for the whole bunch as a job lot.
Tom
Disney perhaps? Would fit in well with their cartoon business.
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Elon Musk, can that really be someone's name, or is it made up to attract attention for publicity? Maybe it's anagrams?
Reshuffle Elon and we get Noel or Leon.
Seems I'm on the right lines here.
Reshuffle Musk and - - - - of course! It's
Noel Skum
He must be one of the tories Old Tom's been on about.
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You can consult the current tariffs on the HMRC website here:
https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/0901220000#import
That example shows 3.1% duty for roasted decaf for imports from GSP countries. Click on the back button to select other forms of coffee.
You'll see zero tariff for raw material, 2.6%-8% tariff on processed coffees.
There are 37 countries currently on the EBA list, but they don't sell much coffee into the EU.
ok, so we're drilling down into the details, and again I think you might be slightly out of date.
There are 49 countries on the list currently (or at least that is the latest list I can find)
http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2017/july/tradoc_155840.pdf
The list of countries that your showing pay 3.1% are not in the EBA arrangement currently and I don't think many of them export that much coffee do they?
Certainly looking at the top exporters of coffee, Eithopia is the only one in the top 15 on either list, and its on the EBA list, so benefits from no tariff and no quota.
You seem to be trying to tell me that there are countries outside the EBA who pay duty/tariffs, which of course there are. But that wasn't what I was talking about. I'm was saying there are 49 countries that befit from this scheme and more being added.
This shows what I think you're trying to say.
I wanted to show that countries like Vietnam relying on coffee export (25% of coffee drunk in the EU comes from Vietnam) still pay duty.
Out of the EBA list, of course Ethiopia exports coffee but they sell less than 2% of EU consumption.
Life in Woosh world must be a very strange place.
Vietnam relies on coffee exports.... really? Not according to the actual data.
Coffee, tea, spices: $4.5 billion (2.1%)
So that's only 2.1% of its exports, and thats for Coffee, tea and spices all together. So it doesn't look like they rely on Coffee at all.
http://www.worldstopexports.com/vietnams-top-10-exports/
its less than 2% of the exports.
and Brazil export more coffee to the EU than vietnam doesn't it?
https://www.cbi.eu/market-information/coffee/trade-statistics/
Either way, I don't think you'd classify either Brazil or Vietnam in the top 50 poorest countries would you, and hence they aren't supported by the EU to help them compete with Brazil and Vietnam.
I suspect that the coffee situation in Vietnam is more convoluted than your analysis, and the short table might suggest. Traditionally Vietnam would have had significant coffee production, a lot of it going into generic instant coffees and not into branded products. As an agricultural product all the steps in the production are labour intensive. Fabrication of electronic products on the other hand, is where the items are produced elsewhere and then assembled into the completed product in the low taxed economy. I would take the economic value of hi tech goods .. phones etc with a grain of salt. The multinationals engage in transfer pricing magic , so the values quoted and the amount of real activity underpinning it may well be different....
The table about coffee consumption in Europe may also be out of date. The sheer number of outlets in any of the highstreets is incredible. Every second shop is either a pub, a coffee shop or a retailer selling coffee as an add on. There are suggestions that coffee is the second most valuable global commodity, and the volume of transactions lead me to think they are not far wrong.. we must be at peak caffeine.
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From the Independent
"
Carillion bosses face inquiry after protecting ‘exorbitant’ £4m bonuses ahead of collapse
Inquiries launched as firm goes bust risking 20,000 jobs and an array of public services
The newly appointed Minister for the Cabinet Office, my counterpart and the person leading on the Carillon crisis, David Lidington, has form here. It was he who, as Justice Secretary, published a controversial tender that proposed giving private security firms the power to arrest UK citizens. There are few more shocking examples of an extreme commitment to outsourcing than giving big business the power to deprive people of their liberty.
It seems that for the Conservatives nothing is off the table when it comes to doling out contracts to their friends in the private sector..
This is the world of Brexit where Corporate power replaces democracy, and incompetence is so rampant that even the biggest go bust despite a fog of lies.
No less that three Profit warning still led to three major new contracts.
And this Government has the future of the Nation in it's hands?
If you voted for Brexit you really need to think again, where are you going to end up?
What possible future can there be if you are gullible enough to trust the Tory Government?
Meanwhile County Councils are reacting
"But in areas where Carillion provides services to schools, contingency measures are in place. Oxfordshire County Council said it will “take over services provided by Carillion, including meal provision in 90 schools”. And as an additional measure, the fire service is “on standby to deliver” school meals. Although not needed yet, this highlights the extent of the crisis."
Just about says it all
"the fire service is “on standby to deliver” school meals. "
What a country! we are the laughing stock of the Entire Planet.
"
Carillion bosses face inquiry after protecting ‘exorbitant’ £4m bonuses ahead of collapse
Inquiries launched as firm goes bust risking 20,000 jobs and an array of public services
The newly appointed Minister for the Cabinet Office, my counterpart and the person leading on the Carillon crisis, David Lidington, has form here. It was he who, as Justice Secretary, published a controversial tender that proposed giving private security firms the power to arrest UK citizens. There are few more shocking examples of an extreme commitment to outsourcing than giving big business the power to deprive people of their liberty.
It seems that for the Conservatives nothing is off the table when it comes to doling out contracts to their friends in the private sector..
This is the world of Brexit where Corporate power replaces democracy, and incompetence is so rampant that even the biggest go bust despite a fog of lies.
No less that three Profit warning still led to three major new contracts.
And this Government has the future of the Nation in it's hands?
If you voted for Brexit you really need to think again, where are you going to end up?
What possible future can there be if you are gullible enough to trust the Tory Government?
Meanwhile County Councils are reacting
"But in areas where Carillion provides services to schools, contingency measures are in place. Oxfordshire County Council said it will “take over services provided by Carillion, including meal provision in 90 schools”. And as an additional measure, the fire service is “on standby to deliver” school meals. Although not needed yet, this highlights the extent of the crisis."
Just about says it all
"the fire service is “on standby to deliver” school meals. "
What a country! we are the laughing stock of the Entire Planet.
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I dislike it too Zlatan, after all who can't be disappointed if they voted for Brexit and trust these Tory clowns?
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