Brexit, for once some facts.

[shemozzle999]

The shortest time route to the continent is by ferry from rosslare to Cherbourg. Travel through the uk is marginally cheaper but always took longer. The pembroke to channel ports takes how long? The angesea to channel ports a bit longer.
If the UK were to play silly about air routes, then they can give up any notion of going to tge USA.. the Shannon ATC covers the north Atlantic.
This is decending into farce.
Does this Mr Fox know anything about international treaties, the law of the sea etc? .. perhaps he should spend a day in the maritime college in Portsmouth, where my brother trained.
If he actually came out with that guff, he should not be let out without nurses.

Never mentioned sea crossings but good luck ferrying all your export goods on the current 2 a day weather dependent crossings.

I think you meant the joint Shanwick service dependent on Scottish Prestwick provided ATC data.

I don't think Liam Fox needs to learn sea law to negotiate Trade deals

 

[oldgroaner]

Fake news of the day, and poisonous too
From the Telegraph
"
Even monarchy-hating Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't dare spoil Harry and Meghan's special day
Tom Harris

Opposing the existence of the Monarchy is HATE, is it?
And the rest is typical mock patriotic propaganda against Corbyn.
They ought to be ashamed, stooping so low to score.

 

[oldgroaner]

Proud of Dishonesty that's the Express
"
'Why wait?' Trade talks 'have already begun' between UK and Turkey ahead of Brexit
THE UK and Turkey have begun to strike the terms of a future free trade agreement as Britain looks ahead to a future outside of the control of Brussels, the Turkish Prime Minister has revealed."

What genius! to try to Blackmail the the EU by undermining our own position with a second rate trade deal worth nothing in comparison.

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Daily Mail no less!
"
Prime minister's husband's investment firm has paid NO corporation tax in eight years - even though the directors have been paid £43million in that time

• Philip May works as a relationship manager for Capital Group in London
• Since 2009 company has turned over £467m but made losses of £125m
• Directors were paid £43million in salaries, pensions and other benefits
• Capital says it will start paying corporation tax next year after 10-year break

The only reason we are committed to Brexit is to protect these "pillars of the establishment" and their Tax Dodges

It's laughable in a tragi comic way that people deal with an "investment company" that posts losses year on year, yet pretend the company isn't bent as a "Nine bob note!" rather than incompetent.

 

[oldgroaner]

Never mentioned sea crossings but good luck ferrying all your export goods on the current 2 a day weather dependent crossings.

I think you meant the joint Shanwick service dependent on Scottish Prestwick provided ATC data.

I don't think Liam Fox needs to learn sea law to negotiate Trade deals

That isn't worth adding to the extensive list of other deficiencies in his knowledge is it?

 

[oldgroaner]

Bell.
Very common family name around this part, and judging from the pedigree above were probably `encouraged` to leave scotlands shores around the Ulster Plantation times.

would have a staunchly Unionist outlook and in all probability regular DUP voters no less !

I did tell you we were a "Bad Lot" and you have just proved my point!
Clearly over there we have bred true to our heritage.
The Bell badge is appropriate... a drawn dagger
I suspect it depicts their attitude better than words could!

For info "an cirean ceann cinnioh" is old Scots Gaelic meaning "The Badge of the Clan Chief"

I'm sure you were right about them being all in favour of Brexit, chaos Mayhem and disorder were after all normal trading conditions to the Clan members of the old days!

 

[shemozzle999]

That isn't worth adding to the extensive list of other deficiencies in his knowledge is it?

Danidl is entitled to his views without your feeble attempted character assignation

 

[anotherkiwi]

From The Guardian:

The UK’s economy has been systematically under performing on almost every key measure. We have lower investment than nearly all our major competitors. We spend less on research and development (R&D). We have much worse productivity. We have a worse trade balance. We have the most geographically unbalanced economy in Europe. And we are in the middle of the longest period of earnings stagnation for 150 years.

Hey I have an idea, what if you left the EU? That might help...

 

[oldtom]

Opposing the existence of the Monarchy is HATE, is it? And the rest is typical mock patriotic propaganda against Corbyn.
They ought to be ashamed, stooping so low to score.

They have no shame!

They and their political marionettists have no answers to the important questions about 'Brexit' and they have no good news they can publish about the economy so, in the absence of anything positive which can be said about our prospects, they publish their age-old, anti-socialist propaganda.

Now, with the news about James Hewitt's son - oops! Apparently that has been denied by err.....Hewitt......oh!.... and a copper from the royal protection squad. Silly me! Prince Harry marrying some American gold-digger, (haven't we been here before?), the tory rags will have ample material to keep their simpletons naive, brainwashed readership happy, maybe with the addition of a few column inches about 'Corrie', 'E. Enders', 'X-Factor' or 'Get me out of here'.

Still, it's good to know that in this 'Big Society', we're all in it together!

I'm having a late breakfast this morning and I'm feeling a bit hungry so I think I'll have an extra bowl of sovereignty - that should sustain me through to lunchtime.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Danidl is entitled to his views without your feeble attempted character assignation

You were doing well for six words.

Tom

 

[Danidl]

Never mentioned sea crossings but good luck ferrying all your export goods on the current 2 a day weather dependent crossings.

I think you meant the joint Shanwick service dependent on Scottish Prestwick provided ATC data.

I don't think Liam Fox needs to learn sea law to negotiate Trade deals

I really don't know where is is coming from or going to, but if the statement is that a uk tumbling out without a viable trade deal will want vengence on ireland for standing up for themselves and would block passage through england, well there are two sides there. It would be totally illegal and would force sanctions on them. International trade both air, sea and land transit is governed by hundreds of years of legally binding conventions. There will be plenty of contributors on this forum more expert on these logistics than I.
If the point was that transit through england would be disrupted by the new trailer parks required by two sets of customs, we knew that and I flagged it up thousands of posts earlier. If mr Foxes team are only coming to that realisation now, then they are highly incompetent. If they are unaware that trade patterns have changed in 45years , so that the EU including the UK needs free flow of materials , then they have no knowledge of modern industrial practices.
As it currently stands, high value goods from ireland .. microprocessors, pharma, industrial diamonds are shipped by air, and lower value goods by sea.
And yes Prestwick is part of the network, but 90% of the transatlantic air traffic gets controlled via Shannon. Its got to do with geography...

 

[oldtom]

I saw this and immediately thought of that 'Peter' fella who hangs out round Dundee........



I wonder if Peter has been involved in providing aid and assistance to this chap? I think I read that Peter does useful community stuff?

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/dundee-man-cant-speak-can-hardly-walk-three-strokes-ordered-work-dwp/?utm_source=facebook

Tom

 

[shemozzle999]

You were doing well for six words.

Tom

Feel free to peddle your vitriol in your own posts but please do not attempt to associate mine.

 

[oldgroaner]

Danidl is entitled to his views without your feeble attempted character assignation

I was actually erring on the side of generosity,
And referring to Liam fox not danidl, that man is a dangerous fool

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[shemozzle999]

I really don't know where is is coming from or going to, but if the statement is that a uk tumbling out without a viable trade deal will want vengence on ireland for standing up for themselves and would block passage through england, well there are two sides there. It would be totally illegal and would force sanctions on them. International trade both air, sea and land transit is governed by hundreds of years of legally binding conventions. There will be plenty of contributors on this forum more expert on these logistics than I.
If the point was that transit through england would be disrupted by the new trailer parks required by two sets of customs, we knew that and I flagged it up thousands of posts earlier. If mr Foxes team are only coming to that realisation now, then they are highly incompetent. If they are unaware that trade patterns have changed in 45years , so that the EU including the UK needs free flow of materials , then they have no knowledge of modern industrial practices.
As it currently stands, high value goods from ireland .. microprocessors, pharma, industrial diamonds are shipped by air, and lower value goods by sea.
And yes Prestwick is part of the network, but 90% of the transatlantic air traffic gets controlled via Shannon. Its got to do with geography...

I hope a lasting mutually accepted solution can be found other wise resentment on will remain on one side or the other and differences will resurface at a later date.

 

[oldgroaner]

Danidl is entitled to his views without your feeble attempted character assignation

Care to try again? In no way have I criticised danidl

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[Steb]

I hope a lasting mutually accepted solution can be found other wise resentment on will remain on one side or the other and differences will resurface at a later date.

i imagine that is some sort of veiled threat. much like threatening to close the air space. I find this kind of threatening aggressive attitude of brexitters intriguing. almost as intriguing as when they project their attitude into others (i.e. when the eu get framed as threatening for not indulging their every whim). I have no doubt differences will resurface. but only on one side. the uk. as part of it progressively dawning on the electorate how screwed it is.

 

[Danidl]

I was actually erring on the side of generosity,
And referring to Liam fox not danidl, that man is a dangerous fool

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I am not .. a fool maybe , but dangerous no.. not since thy insist I use those rubber razor blades and knives and forks...

 

[Danidl]

Care to try again? In no way have I criticised danidl
Ok ill go to the naughty step.
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[Steb]

I am not .. a fool maybe , but dangerous no.. not since thy insist I use those rubber razor blades and knives and forks...

dangerous dan, the Irish partisan? note the internal rhyme..