Brexit, for once some facts.
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I actually think it would help...not sure result would be different, people are simply more entrenched in their opinions...deciding on a default setting might be awkward...If we assumed a 10% majority was required this time ..would we leave or remain if it wasn't achieved... Wonder how May and Corbyn would vote ??
I thought it was an excellent and most appropriate post. BTW, I think you meant to type 'bonhomie' but I'm not surprised you can't spell it as it is probably an alien concept for you!
Any answers yet to the big question about 'Brexit'?......How, when, etc?
I really don't mind 'Brexidiots' betting their house, their car, their personal fortune and their children's and grandchildren's future on some kind of long-odds wager on a racist-inspired 'Shangri-La' future but I thoroughly resent the imbeciles also gambling those things precious to me against my will. To then pretend that it's democracy is just crass!
There will be a day of reckoning!
Tom
As usual, that really had nothing whatsoever to do with with the post. It was just an opportunity to snipe. I had asked him to explain himself not use it as a vehicle to insult, only for you to pick it up and run with it.
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This am on the today programme labour's shadow Chancellor did a relatively reasonable job of describing in part that offshore tax avoiding capital is what really propel brexit, they care about the implications of a hard border, the recession that follows brexit as much as they cared about the peace process, public services when they yanked Theresa's chain to get her to sabotage it by bribing the dup with our money
Tell me what it means please, in English as my French is suspect!
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A question for you then. Are you saying that we are closed to having foreign investment on our shores? We don't want the technology of others, we're not interested in co-operation, we don't want to trade with other countries - in fact we want to stay in a time-warp. To my mind this is the way to ensure that we really do crash out of the world, never mind the EU.
Well, we really could do with laying off a few thousand bankers and closing a lot of the increasingly redundant High St banks. The world of banking has moved on thanks to electronics and there's an awful lot of dead wood being carried along in an industry that has been awarding staff large annual pay rises and bonuses.....bonuses just for doing what they are paid to do!
Other industries have seen staffing decimated as a result of automation and the use of robot technology. Their owners have slashed staff numbers as a result, increasing their profits with no regard to the future welfare of those people. I am more than a little aware that the very people who caused the economic crash of 2007 - 08 were those bankers, gambling other people's money!
Many of them will be becoming very nervous as they can see the spectre of the City of London and Canary Wharf becoming ghost towns when the Europeans decide they don't need the UK to do their business.
Long overdue comeuppance or karma for those disgusting, rapacious Mammonists will give me great pleasure.
Tom
Steb I had great difficulty in understanding this. It is a single convoluted sentence
That may all be true, but it is also the situation that they provide employment , tax revenue and profits all of which help keep the UK economy in the black. And if you really are old, contribute to your pension, or trust fund or whatever...
I suspect that the objection is that nuclear engineering was one of the areas in which the British led the world. That GB is now beholding to research being done in China , and using French and probably Indian finance is what sticks in the craw. The excellence of British engineering, and it was excellent, is now a memory.
What an odd comment 'Danidl'! Were not the miners, steelworkers, car plant workers, printers and all the other blue-collar workers also part of that same economy? Did they not contribute? Are you trying to make a special case for these casino bankers?
It strikes me that you are defending the very people whose recklessness and cavalier attitude towards the nation's economic health caused the financial collapse in 2007.
Have you ever spent any time in the City; ventured into the pubs & eateries frequented by thousands of Nigel Farage clones? I have and I can tell you it is rather sickening to observe the habits of these people who have never worked anywhere approaching a 40-hour week since they left school.
They are all part of the army supporting the interests of the British elite and are part of the class war being perpetrated by the establishment against the common folk. Ditto that for Canary Wharf! I got to spend quite a lot of time in both those locations when I was employed and have been up close and personal with some rather horrible people.
All in it together......I think not!
Tom
I will respond succinctly.. odd? I think not, yes, yes, no, not at all, no, no, I don't care about this so called class war, you have my sympathy, perhaps not.
lets see now Foreign Investment...OK but not in infrastructure or anything that should be in public control like water and Power, and Health nor should it result of more than a linited percentages of business say 20% being Foreign owned.
Nor should Public institutions like Prisons and Hospitals be in Ptivate Ownership.
The public should own those functions of the State.
As for technology we will never catch up living on someody else's efforts will we?
the Conservatives have presided over our decline as a deliberate quick return Policy.
They complain that the poor are in a state of dependency on Welfare and at the same time by selling everything off anything Publicly owned, have placed the future of the Entire Nation into this dependency on Foreigners to run our businesses and infrastructure.
In many ways it is as if we have been invaded and the country run by an occupying power to leach it for profit,
Ironic I suppose that we are being treated by our own Government as we once did the Colonies.
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....and you criticised Steb for an obtuse post!
I note you say you don't care about 'this so-called class war' but while your country may now be free of Westminster misrule, some of us still suffer under it.
The British establishment has been waging a class war against the common people for a very long time 'Danidl' and your forebears bore much of the brunt of their colonialist self-indulgence in previous times, so please don't imagine that because Ireland is free from that terror, that the perpetrators have simply given up their evil ways and become nice people.
Leopards don't change their spots!
Tom
The clueless tory administration at Westminster introduced electronic vehicle taxation and scrapped the tax disc. Now, while I'm not sure how much the old-fashioned visual windscreen disc system cost to administer, I suspect it comes nowhere near the resultant loss of revenue reported in yesterday's news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42009111?SThisFB
These incompetents are the same people driving the UK towards economic and social isolation among the world's nations.
Tom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42009111?SThisFB
These incompetents are the same people driving the UK towards economic and social isolation among the world's nations.
Tom
Barrow and Furness Constituency Labour Party put this out on social media and it encapsulates exactly the tyranny being enacted against the poor and needy under this tory government.
Not only that; the local tory party's statement is revealing and serves to demonstrate how tories view those less fortunate than themselves.
This part is from the local Labour Party:
Below is an awful reply from the local Tory party to a local constituent voicing her concerns about their joy at a rise in constituents being turned down for vital out of work benefits. We wholly condemn their comments and hope they retract them and apologise.
State punishments have been dished out to hundreds of disabled people across Cumbria who were deemed to have failed to complete 'work related activities' in the last five years.
Figures obtained by CN Group reveal 771 people registered with a disability across the county have been issued with a benefits sanction by the government since December 2012. These figures have then been misrepresented by the government as getting people off benefits.
It means residents on employment support allowance - those officially deemed too ill to work - have been left without money for food or bills for an average of 28 days at a time.
Disabled rights champion Margaret Burrows, MBE, who runs the Barrow and District Disability Association, said the sanctions were driving people to the foodbank.
This is what the local tory party had to say:
Tories view all poor people just as described in that response to a tory party member.
The future will be more and more of that as unemployment soars in the years after 'Brexit'.
Tom
Not only that; the local tory party's statement is revealing and serves to demonstrate how tories view those less fortunate than themselves.
This part is from the local Labour Party:
Below is an awful reply from the local Tory party to a local constituent voicing her concerns about their joy at a rise in constituents being turned down for vital out of work benefits. We wholly condemn their comments and hope they retract them and apologise.
State punishments have been dished out to hundreds of disabled people across Cumbria who were deemed to have failed to complete 'work related activities' in the last five years.
Figures obtained by CN Group reveal 771 people registered with a disability across the county have been issued with a benefits sanction by the government since December 2012. These figures have then been misrepresented by the government as getting people off benefits.
It means residents on employment support allowance - those officially deemed too ill to work - have been left without money for food or bills for an average of 28 days at a time.
Disabled rights champion Margaret Burrows, MBE, who runs the Barrow and District Disability Association, said the sanctions were driving people to the foodbank.
This is what the local tory party had to say:
Tories view all poor people just as described in that response to a tory party member.
The future will be more and more of that as unemployment soars in the years after 'Brexit'.
Tom
and being a member of the EU is the solution then?
It would be nice to think that as we were once the 'best' in the World, that we would always remain so. I guess that could have been the case had we chosen to simply rape and pillage but we didn't. We also chose to bring some good to the World, we shared our knowledge and whilst we lost our Empire we still have a lot to be proud of. We still have some of the best Universities in the World and I suspect we taught the Chinese all they know about Nuclear Power and much the same for the US in computers and IT and on it goes. However, it didn't just stop there, they in turn added to the knowledge we gave them, produced bigger and better and crucially, at a price that we couldn't match. This is called International Trade and we're still quite good at it. We build most of the F! and indeed the Indy cars, Industry is still alive and kicking in the Midlands.
In a Global World we trade and we share in the successes, We cannot possibly be self sufficient and the best in class at everything and continue to innovate in a vacuum.
This is not decline, it's progress, wake up and smell the coffee!
Let me remind you, should I need to, that the 'people' in our golden days didn't exactly have a cushy life.
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