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But you work or strive for no alternative ??? If remain had concentrated their efforts positively they may well have developed representation by an appreciative politician. As it is remainers just come over as negative, mocking and with no real motivation for change. Its a type of grudging acceptance but with the proviso " this was your doing" ( ie Brexit voters)
Unfortunately your attitude is not unique OG. I find it strange . I,ve maintained from start I thought we had a brighter future outside EU, many obviously feel differently but rather than develop support for their opposing views they have merely attacked others for daring to think differently. I accept unequivocally I could be wrong but instead of mocking such as myself , Peter , Woosh, Tilson and Peter Hargreaves ( only an example) why not offer a viable alternative way forward.
Its as though many remainers are saying " oh well, we have no choice, lets just do Brexit and make it fail" rather than setting your stall out. Its exactly the reason nobody is representing remainers. They are too desparate and disparate. They have no leader because they are not unified enough to lead. Had groups of remainers set out their wishes some enterprising politician would have had no option but take up the gauntlet and challenge Brexit properly. As it is Corbyn doesn't believe remainers are sincere enough in their beliefs to get him into power.
That is a massive shame and a mistake on remainers part. Look through this thread,page after page of knocking Tories or Brexit, or in many cases individuals. That gives no one something to work on, nothing to negotiate with.
Remainers have been their own worst enemies. This thread typifies it. Look at Tom,s rhetoric. Years old, platitudes and insults. You cant build policies or represent that.
Remainers should have campaigned for representation and not focused their energies on negative put downs. There has plainly been enough support for remainers to alter things. If I was a remainer I,d be asking myself why it hasn't happened. The answer is on this thread. Leavers simply left you all to moan on and on, not organising not demanding anything, just blaming others.
You only have yourselves to blame.
There has been ample opportunity to change things. But nothing has changed. We are still heading for Brexit with a Tory government. You should be asking why has nothing changed since June 23rd even though thousands plainly do not want to leave ? No direction, no policies, no leader, no real alternatives offered. That is NOT brexit voters faults.
In the eyes of the majority in Europe, the Brexit concept is such a monumental own goal, that it is difficult to construct any single coherent arguement against it. It is so bizzare on so many levels. Even were it but slightly wrong , which I don't for a moment accept, the way it has been handled has been appallingly incompetent.
Britain stands alone, northern Ireland voted against it, Scotland voted against it , only England and Wales voted for it..
Just like the USA elections, the result was so different and so flew in the face of expert opinion that one cannot argue logically about it. It has descended into the realm of religious dogma.. on both sides by now, and it looks that it going to go to the bitter end game.
Everybody who has responsibility has In my opinion abdicated it. So it is going to go to the bitter end...
The bitter end will involve a land border, limited citizen rights and exclusion from the single market.
A review article on our national broadcasting channel mentioned the last foot and mouth epidemic we had in Ireland, created by the illegal transportation of livestock between Scotland and NI, and which transferred accross the border into a peninsula in ROI. If the UK, as is suggested, wants a trade deal with the USA, it will need to also an agricultural deal, and that will result in the hard border...
Now Zathlan, It is disingenious to say that these effects are not the responsibility of Brexit voters.and campaign leaders.. They are just in the same way as those horrific events in Texas yesterday are a direct consequence of their gun lobby. The Brexit side initiated the campaign, they also damaged the process by telling untruths ...or lies, about it being frictionless, that any objections was" project fear" , by shouting down any reasoned arguements with a simplistic slogans. There were threats to all and any who would not honour the" will of the people", including your judiciary, and there was murder.
All of these actions were initiated by the Brexit campaign, what is worrying was that those persons expected to heed expert opinion and not the baying of the job,... Your parliamentary parties, were and remain supine. Now flecc is suggesting that Labours stance is good politics, my view is less sanguine and the words "cop out "and" bottling it" a come to mind.
How can you reasonably expect "remainers ", to work for a good Brexit, when every action is either bad or worse .? In their opinion The only good Brexit is no Brexit. .. a view I concur with. Virtually any examination of any aspect from science, to education to agriculture, to personal rights , to industry to commerce is worse under Brexit than not. They have seen experts from all the industries belittled before during and after and shouted down, so why would they make the effort yet another time?
You cannot reason with an alcoholic when they are drunk, later when the sober truth of what has been allowed to happen dawn's,
The view they are adopting is , you made your bed now lie in it. I can appreciate their dispair , but wish it were not so.
Why am I am outsider still responding.. in the forlorn hope that someone within the Brexit camp realises what they are risking..
