Between 20% to 30% of population including us without electricity...and still a few hours to go...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I guess if you have eyes in the back of your head you won't need anyone to watch your back?
I don't think the Brexit is really about lack of cooperation with our European neighbours and from my perspective far from it. I take your point about two people from different parties having a civilised conversation, refreshing. In the main the Tories seem more able to manage to remain civil whilst putting across different (sensible) policies and points of view than certainly the current front bench of the Labour Party. As for consensus politics, obviously, not our way is it, although not as bad as PMQ portray's. Most of the real work in HoC is done by the various committees and they are cross party and generally do a good job. Even then, most exchanges in the HoC and indeed on the AM Sunday show seem to indicate that there is hardly any real / substantial difference between the two major parties - for some reason one side wants to suggest that there are major differences.
I think this thread clearly shows just how difficult it would be have sensible and constructive behaviour on a regular basis?
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The General never got over being decanted to Swindon Railway Station during the war.
When you try to represent the conservatives in a favourable light you sound like Al Capones lawyer, and yet still make juvenile patronising comments.
Let's face it the self righteous Tory attitude is out of date and has got this country into a dreadful mess, and seems intent on making matters even worse.
Sensible policies and conservative , don't belong in the same sentence.
Only complete idiots would have used a referendum to try to quieten the idiot fringe of their party, and sure enough they didn't just do that but lost as well.
And now you call for sensible debate? The only sensible debate of how to cancel this farce, and get them out of office before they get to do any further damage to the nation.
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Rees-Mogg says that he wants the UK to be like Singapore.
So,I thought,I would look up Singapore-economically and socially...
Income Tax.....up to £10,000....tax free
up to £20,000....11%
above £160,000....22%
I have simplified it,there are extrapolated rates in between.
Pension and Healthcare
This is one payment(known as CPF) from the employer and reduces according to age.
Employee contribution....20% reducing to 5%
Employer contribution......17% reducing to 7%
Property Tax (Council Tax)....varies between 10-20% of the annual rent,rate varies according to the property type,
No capital gains tax and no inheritance tax.....our 'Toffs' would like that.
OK now the downsides...
No unemployment benefit
No housing benefit
No tax credits
No free healthcare system
No state pension system
Basically,no job you live off savings or get out.
There is a good employee redundancy system to act as a buffer if you lose your job and employment for skilled people is easy to get.
There is a dole but this is confined to those described as 'less fortunate' and is refused 50% of the time and offers benefit 41% below the lowest possible subsistence level.
There is almost no crime....burglary,spitting,throwing gum,graffiti,using drugs,rape can all be punished by caning...not a gentle caning,maximum sentence is 24 strokes of a rattan cane,even 6 strokes can be hospitalised and not able to sit or lie on back for a month.
Serious crimes and drug dealing....capital punishment is possible.
Is the unemployed guy in a poor part of the UK still sure about voting Brexit for Rees-Moggs form of society?????
KudosDave
So,I thought,I would look up Singapore-economically and socially...
Income Tax.....up to £10,000....tax free
up to £20,000....11%
above £160,000....22%
I have simplified it,there are extrapolated rates in between.
Pension and Healthcare
This is one payment(known as CPF) from the employer and reduces according to age.
Employee contribution....20% reducing to 5%
Employer contribution......17% reducing to 7%
Property Tax (Council Tax)....varies between 10-20% of the annual rent,rate varies according to the property type,
No capital gains tax and no inheritance tax.....our 'Toffs' would like that.
OK now the downsides...
No unemployment benefit
No housing benefit
No tax credits
No free healthcare system
No state pension system
Basically,no job you live off savings or get out.
There is a good employee redundancy system to act as a buffer if you lose your job and employment for skilled people is easy to get.
There is a dole but this is confined to those described as 'less fortunate' and is refused 50% of the time and offers benefit 41% below the lowest possible subsistence level.
There is almost no crime....burglary,spitting,throwing gum,graffiti,using drugs,rape can all be punished by caning...not a gentle caning,maximum sentence is 24 strokes of a rattan cane,even 6 strokes can be hospitalised and not able to sit or lie on back for a month.
Serious crimes and drug dealing....capital punishment is possible.
Is the unemployed guy in a poor part of the UK still sure about voting Brexit for Rees-Moggs form of society?????
KudosDave
Many of the mainland Continental countries having proportional representation manage it ok, despite some very real political differences. The existence of the EU is proof enough.
We need to change our electoral system to benefit the same way, both in politics and among the wider public.
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he didn't know who JRM was until now.
Brexit has turned a few extremists like JRM into celebrities.
Guys of the kind you mention are the kind who think we alone won the war, both world wars, in fact.
Their jingoism with its inherent racism is based on hand-me-down stories from their forebears who were, even a century ago, bombarded with propaganda delivered directly by the government through the BBC and also via the press of those days. Decade after decade, those people have succumbed to the government's message on behalf of the elite, a message also reinforced by their church leaders and their school teachers, encouraging the singing of patriotic songs and glorifying the sacrifice of millions of innocent young men for the most appalling reasons imaginable; sheer unadulterated greed, wealth expansion and the maintenance of the elite's control over ordinary people.
Lifelong brainwashing!
Those guys are no different today from the ones of the early part of the 20th century who rallied behind these lies and queued up to go and do their bit - they didn't have a clue!
Very little has changed in the intervening years due to the relentless propaganda bombardment and a vote for Rees-Mogg will lead them to this:
Tom
No. It is simply time we acted like responsible adults rather than the cast of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
Alas while people vote for the Conservatives this is all you can expect.
Really it's hard to imagine how he beat billions of other Sperm.
It's enough to make you doubt that Evolution still continues.
It is notable that the Tory view is still that "their" view equates with "our" view in other words they OWN the proletariat.
Also notable is that the only form of debate "agreeable and rational" to a Tory, is acceptance of whatever they decide, no matter than the ideas inevitably fly as well as a lead Airship.
Definitely, the papers can pull that off by making Jackass Mogg out to be a harmless comical figure but well meaning..
That is not nice at at all 'Danidl' and I remember vividly the great storm of 1987 and the only slightly less damaging one of '88 because I had to be out and about on both occasions. Inevitably, severe weather in these isles seems to take a few unlucky souls and I believe today has been no exception and my thoughts go out to those bereaved and to those injured and/or made homeless.
From the news, it seems Ireland hasn't quite had a monopoly on this violent storm - I was at Woburn Abbey gardens and my straw hat almost blew off twice! Although it was shirt-sleeve order for me today, I had a rainproof in my rucksack but fortunately the rain didn't quite make it to a fairly warm Bedfordshire.
I hope you and yours have been able to remain safe.
Tom
The vote leave Chief imbecile is making rude noises
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vote-leave-brexit-chief-dominic-cummings-disaster-eu-european-union-theresa-may-david-davis-
a8002426.html
What fun!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vote-leave-brexit-chief-dominic-cummings-disaster-eu-european-union-theresa-may-david-davis-
a8002426.html
What fun!