Brexit, for once some facts.

PeterL

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I didn't do that, I just used my browser's "Find" facility which instantly assured me there was no mention of lottery etc.

Isn't technology wonderful. :p
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It is when it works, but it caused you to make a false assumption, there again perhaps you asked the wrong question of it? I'm intrigued by your logic - do you use "Find" a lot on here? I might just start rewriting as well things to confuse you.
 

PeterL

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a good read this morning:

→ Don't blame migrants for Brexit, blame politicians - Please share

BOSTON IS THE TOWN THAT MOST WANTED BREXIT. WHY?

Boston is the town that most strongly voted for Brexit in the Referendum. Clearly, the people there don’t much like ‘free movement of people’. But it wasn’t always like that.

Back in the 17th century, people of Boston, England moved to America and founded Boston, in the state now called Massachusetts.

That’s because, like most people who move, those people from Boston, England wanted a better life.

This was eloquently expressed by the playwright and novelist, Bonnie Greer, on a recent edition of BBC Question Time, which was broadcast from the town of Boston, England.

Ms Greer said:

‘We’re a migratory species, we human beings. And we move. We move to better ourselves, we move to go and find the things we need.

‘We’ve always moved. We will continue to move.

‘This town of Boston is the second Boston I’ve been in. The first one is in Massachusetts. People from your town founded that town. And they founded it because they wanted to have a better life. And they’ve moved.’

Her comment drew strong applause from the Bostonians in the audience, who were clearly moved.

And yet, it’s also clear that many residents of Boston are alarmed by the rapid rise of migrants moving there in recent years from the rest of the EU.

After London, Boston is home to the highest concentration of EU migrants – quite something, when you consider that London is one of the world’s largest cities, and Boston is, or was, a sleepy Lincolnshire farming town.

In the period between 2004 and 2014, the migrant population of Boston increased by 460 per cent.

Of the 64,000 people now living in the borough (some officials believe the real figure could be 10,000 more), about 12 per cent were born in other EU countries.

That has put considerable pressure on public services – schools, hospitals, doctors, homes, etc. It’s understandable that many of the indigenous population of Boston feel disgruntled.

It’s is also perhaps a natural response to blame the extra people who are using those public services for the strain on those public services.

There is, though, another way of looking at this.

If a train is full, do you blame the passengers, or the train company for not providing enough trains or carriages?

If a hospital is full with no beds available, do you blame the patients in the hospital, or the public services for not providing enough beds and facilities?

Migrants don’t move to places where there aren’t good jobs. And that’s perfectly exemplified in the case of Boston.

The rapid rise in Boston’s migrant population is because there are plenty of jobs to fill, with employment rising. If that were not the case, migrants wouldn’t go there.

Consequently, Boston is booming.

Unemployment in the town is below the national average - 4.4% of economically active people, as against 4.8% nationally.

Boston used to be a sleepy farming town. Farmers used to bring in temporary workers for the short harvest periods.

But as a result of the influx of migrants, the local economy of Boston has diversified and blossomed.

The town now creates work all year-round, meaning that it can sustain a lot more jobs. That also means, of course, that Boston needs migrants to fill those jobs.

As Boston Labour councillor, Paul Gleeson, recently told the BBC:

"There's more harvesting going on throughout the year. And - more importantly - those vegetables are processed in Boston - wrapped and bar-coded for supermarket."

In addition, food grown elsewhere in Europe is now brought to Boston to be processed.

This is, and should be, a success story. Why do so many residents in Boston think otherwise?

Politicians have been quick to blame ‘too many migrants’ for perceived strains in the town of Boston. But, in reality, that’s castigating the wrong people.

It’s easy to scapegoat migrants for problems they didn’t cause. And doing so, actually lets our political masters off the hook. It hides the central problem, rather than addressing it.

Because politicians shouldn’t be blaming migrants for any lack of resources. They should be blaming themselves. For it is they who are at fault.

EU migrants in Britain – and in Boston – are mostly in gainful employment, working hard, spending most of their earnings here, paying taxes, and making significant net contributions to our national and local economies.

Without them Britain – and Boston – would be poorer.

The lack of investment in the local services and infrastructure of Boston – and in other areas of Britain - is not the fault of hard-working migrants. It’s the fault of successive governments which have made places such as Boston a forgotten town.

We need politicians to stop incriminating immigrants, and start devoting their energies into the real problems facing Britain.

EU migrants help Britain to be richer. We should be using that extra wealth they bring to our country to enhance and upgrade towns like Boston.

We need massive investment programmes, to rebuild infrastructure; encourage new enterprises; build many more affordable homes; invest more into our schools, hospitals and GP services; assist with re-education and lifelong learning for all workers; help the unemployed to train for new skills or even to start their own businesses; offer bigger incentives to companies (yes even foreign ones) to relocate to towns where people need more work.

Why isn’t this happening?

Don’t blame Poles or other EU migrants. Blame politicians.

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Not bad but still a good political example taking a fact and adding your own twist to make a political point.

Totally agree with the reason why people migrate, always to better themselves, they hope. I guess that's why the people from Boston in England went to the US back then. Not so sure that the people of Boston US had invested in the infrastructure needed along with the schools and hospitals required for them though. That would have come in time and by the efforts of the migrants. No doubt in time Boston UK will become the paradise that these European migrants seek.

I think it was Norman Tebbitt that, rather appropriately on this Forum, suggested that people needed to get on their bikes?
 

oldgroaner

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It is when it works, but it caused you to make a false assumption, there again perhaps you asked the wrong question of it? I'm intrigued by your logic - do you use "Find" a lot on here? I might just start rewriting as well things to confuse you.
Usually we prefer not to look too hard, all sorts of things lurk in the dark nooks and crannies (or is that Crooks and Nannies?)
Whaddya mean you might "start" rewriting things? isn't it bad enough to confuse us with "as well things"?
Lord help us after you apply the Ernie Wise Method "like wot I just Wrote":cool:
 

PeterL

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Usually we prefer not to look too hard, all sorts of things lurk in the dark nooks and crannies (or is that Crooks and Nannies?)
Whaddya mean you might "start" rewriting things? isn't it bad enough to confuse us with "as well things"?
Lord help us after you apply the Ernie Wise Method "like wot I just Wrote":cool:
Not too difficult and truth be told, I blame predictive text, for rewriting wot I just wrote. When added to my own typo's it makes it even complicated for me at times to understand.
 

oldgroaner

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Not bad but still a good political example taking a fact and adding your own twist to make a political point.

Totally agree with the reason why people migrate, always to better themselves, they hope. I guess that's why the people from Boston in England went to the US back then. Not so sure that the people of Boston US had invested in the infrastructure needed along with the schools and hospitals required for them though. That would have come in time and by the efforts of the migrants. No doubt in time Boston UK will become the paradise that these European migrants seek.

I think it was Norman Tebbitt that, rather appropriately on this Forum, suggested that people needed to get on their bikes?
My ancestors didn't move to better themselves they preferred to avoid being incarcerated, hung or shot, or go on a cruise to Australia.

On about the fifth attempt they made it down to Yorkshire.
Should've chosen the Cruise option really.
 

PeterL

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My ancestors didn't move to better themselves they preferred to avoid being incarcerated, hung or shot, or go on a cruise to Australia.

On about the fifth attempt they made it down to Yorkshire.
Should've chosen the Cruise option really.
Interesting times, the ships were crewed by many an unsuspecting lad encouraged to go a cruise.
 

oldgroaner

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Not too difficult and truth be told, I blame predictive text, for rewriting wot I just wrote. When added to my own typo's it makes it even complicated for me at times to understand.
You'll never be lonely here, we operate a policy of universal suffrage (or should that be suffering) regarding Confusing the reader.
Besides why should you be any less confused than the Government?
 

oldgroaner

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Not bad but still a good political example taking a fact and adding your own twist to make a political point.

Totally agree with the reason why people migrate, always to better themselves, they hope. I guess that's why the people from Boston in England went to the US back then. Not so sure that the people of Boston US had invested in the infrastructure needed along with the schools and hospitals required for them though. That would have come in time and by the efforts of the migrants. No doubt in time Boston UK will become the paradise that these European migrants seek.

I think it was Norman Tebbitt that, rather appropriately on this Forum, suggested that people needed to get on their bikes?
Rather strange advice to come from a Jet Pilot and ignoring the fact that families are not inclined to take to the road in pursuit of work except in the case of their being refugees.
And who would uproot their lives to chase temporary work?
 

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It is when it works, but it caused you to make a false assumption, there again perhaps you asked the wrong question of it? I'm intrigued by your logic - do you use "Find" a lot on here? I might just start rewriting as well things to confuse you.
No false assumption, at 10.17am when I posted there was no mention of lottery etc on those two pages.

I very rarely use Find, using it when logically appropriate to locate particular words. As the etc above and in my earlier post indicates, I didn't only look for lottery but tried alternatives such as lotto, so being devious won't necessarily help to mask a post.
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oldgroaner

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It's not me who's smart, it's the browser, or those who created it to make my life easier.
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I have actually used it before but was suffering brain fade and forgot it was present[emoji1]

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Going back to my earlier post...
Not on about censorship at all...just think all media outlets over an agreed limit should be graded with that grade visible. We all like to quote this and that and even name source when it suits us...but many ( all ?) would not in my opinion deserve an "A" grade..( ie free from bias, straight forward reporting with no agenda or political affiliations; prejudice or motives)
Yes, we all accept Mail would be around a C grade ( ie last in 3 tier system) but what about Wiki, Google, Canary, etc etc. All have influence (and bias ) but we assume impartiality for some...because they match our own doctrine and possible indoctrination.
Its shocking when our own BBC, paid for with public money, would at best get a grade B from me ? No way an A..???
 

PeterL

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It's not me who's smart, it's the browser, or those who created it to make my life easier.
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That is the right way to look at most software, give credit to the guy that wrote it, as knowing what was needed. If you want to do something with it but can't, then find out, read the manual. Must be room for than mantra elsewhere on here I'm sure.
 
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PeterL

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Going back to my earlier post...
Not on about censorship at all...just think all media outlets over an agreed limit should be graded with that grade visible. We all like to quote this and that and even name source when it suits us...but many ( all ?) would not in my opinion deserve an "A" grade..( ie free from bias, straight forward reporting with no agenda or political affiliations; prejudice or motives)
Yes, we all accept Mail would be around a C grade ( ie last in 3 tier system) but what about Wiki, Google, Canary, etc etc. All have influence (and bias ) but we assume impartiality for some...because they match our own doctrine and possible indoctrination.
Its shocking when our own BBC, paid for with public money, would at best get a grade B from me ? No way an A..???
So true, all we're left with are our own experiences in life. That's why the old are so smart.
 
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