Bike Europe draws attention to illegal tuning kits
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I get all this since I am in the real world, but when it's posted in here, not in a motorcycle shop, that the Stromer is an e-bike, all the newbies who enter here asking for an e-bike that will carry them at 25 mph can be misled that's the norm.
What I don't understand is why you and others get upset when I point out it's a moped with all that entails. In this e-bike forum why hide a truth that could lead others into difficulties?
They should know and not be misled by posts saying there's little or no problem. Then they can make their own informed decision, and if that's opting for illegality I don't mind, that's their business and none of mine.
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Possibly, but of course we are in a state of flux at the moment. The current type approval regulations only hold until 31st December 2016, then from 1st January 2017 new regulations will be in force EU wide, including the UK.I think with the power that I have in mind it may have to be put through as a L3e. One step at a time though
The major differences seem to be the EU incorporating many of the United Nations UNECE regulations to ensure as much global conformity as possible.
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But you said trips to the shops
See quote from you earlier on your 500 to 10kw build!
Its just 24s 5ah for quick runs to the shop and round the forest next to me.
I have 2 triangle bags, one for each side which can take another 10ah but yet to try it out.
If I don't want the bike to be crazzy heavy, I will prob stick to a spare pack in a rucksack....
Controller wise, I'm still undecided, either an Infineon based 18 fet, a Greentime 24 fet or an Adaptto 11kw beast, although I think I may save the Max-e for a purpose built 10kw frame that's in the pipeline...
Oh D8ve, just let it go!
If you look back you will also read that my trips to the shop are often without a battery pack. My shop is 3 mins away, I can roll there. If my pack is connected then I do admit that I have sometimes done the crazzzy thing of opening it up to 15mph.
The forest next to me is Matchams private MX track and I transport the bike there in my van.
The bike you are referring to hasn't even been ridden electric. I've yet to finish it. I said that I tested the Vboxx with no electric fitted. I haven't even hooked up a controller yet.
I will hopefully put one of these 10kw bikes (I have a few) through test sometime soon so that I can legally ride it on the road.
If you look back you will also read that my trips to the shop are often without a battery pack. My shop is 3 mins away, I can roll there. If my pack is connected then I do admit that I have sometimes done the crazzzy thing of opening it up to 15mph.
The forest next to me is Matchams private MX track and I transport the bike there in my van.
The bike you are referring to hasn't even been ridden electric. I've yet to finish it. I said that I tested the Vboxx with no electric fitted. I haven't even hooked up a controller yet.
I will hopefully put one of these 10kw bikes (I have a few) through test sometime soon so that I can legally ride it on the road.
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Have any of you written to the Queen asking for her groundsmen to stop mowing the estate lawns on their illegal ride on mowers because there is a public access gate on part of the estate? I mean how far do you what to go?
If you were in North Korea you would be put in jail for your illegal beard. Some North koreans would say, well the law is the law.
(disclaimer, I do not intend to insult those styling facial hair, I often do myself)
If you were in North Korea you would be put in jail for your illegal beard. Some North koreans would say, well the law is the law.
(disclaimer, I do not intend to insult those styling facial hair, I often do myself)
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we're not talking about different things, but I'll let that slide.
Thanks for finally understanding my point... as you were my example at the very very start of this thread, when I was saying.
No, for that in regulation 168/2013 she has exemption from type approval as a motor vehicle:
Exemptions section 1.1(g): "Vehicles primarily intended for off-road use and designed to travel on unpaved surfaces".
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I hope to upgrade to an s-pedelec in 2017. If I can build it myself.
I am putting a mirror on my bike - a very good idea on the open road here. I will be insuring my pedelec - my insurance company requires that not the law, I agree with them on this point. I have a drivers licence. All that is missing from my pedelec project is the number plate and light.
Problem: you can't pedal with a motorbike helmet on your head, well not very far anyway...
Oh and if you get pulled over for a breath test on a s-pedelec and you are positive you will certainly be fined and lose points...
Tony
I am putting a mirror on my bike - a very good idea on the open road here. I will be insuring my pedelec - my insurance company requires that not the law, I agree with them on this point. I have a drivers licence. All that is missing from my pedelec project is the number plate and light.
Problem: you can't pedal with a motorbike helmet on your head, well not very far anyway...
Oh and if you get pulled over for a breath test on a s-pedelec and you are positive you will certainly be fined and lose points...
Tony
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I don't get upset when anyone calls it a moped. I've called it that myself. I only get annoyed by those that think it's difficult to have a legal fast/powerful electric bicycle. Although we can call it a moped because that's the closest legal definition, in reality it's an electric bicycle since you have to pedal it to get the power. It's the same as what we ride, but it has a bit more power and weight. IIRC there's no throttle.
Previously, I didn't realise how type approval of these vehicles means that you don't have to jump through any hoops to register them. The manufacturers have already done that, so now you can have one legally without the hassle of inspections, etc.
Well I intend to go on 'misusing' the term 'off-road'
you lots are ridiculous, Please throw me off!
Well I hope the French government will permit cycle helmets on the S class in 2017 Tony.
Good point on breath testing, plus a driving licence ban!
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you've got to realise, you're thinking in terms of motorbikes. In terms of bicycles (and pedelecs are bicycles, not motorbikes). You're misusing the term off-road and as you're selling the bicycles as a commercial business this has serious implications to your liability and trading standards will have big concerns about you selling non CE certified products. So whilst you might want to carry on misusing the term, at some point it might become a big problem for you.
Hence my statement on page 1, that people like you do need to have a better understanding of the law.
Yes I understand that but you took my quote from a thread i created about 5kw+ bikes and I stated that I am going to register it as a motorbike.
Not a direct misquote, but you dragged it over to 15mph pedelec thread and said that I was misusing the word.
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Not sure about the usage implications at Matchams, but StalkingCat's high powered bikes don't need type approval for sale since he is designing them for off road use.
This is the exemption in EU type approval regulation 168/2013:
Section 1.1(g): "Vehicles primarily intended for off-road use and designed to travel on unpaved surfaces".
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This is the exemption in EU type approval regulation 168/2013:
Section 1.1(g): "Vehicles primarily intended for off-road use and designed to travel on unpaved surfaces".
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My business, when set up, will hopefully be selling electric bikes, with pedals and also fully road registered. I have sold one, 2nd hand bike on ebay and I stated that its not for road use.
The phrase 'offroad' won't really mean much to my business as my bikes will be classed as mopeds/motorbikes, which hopefully can be ridden on some sort of private MX track, although I actually see of whole new category of sport being created at some point, especially for the qualities that these bikes potentially have.
Its really not that complicated.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE ANYWHERE WHICH HAS PUBLIC ACCESS.
I get it!!!
The phrase 'offroad' won't really mean much to my business as my bikes will be classed as mopeds/motorbikes, which hopefully can be ridden on some sort of private MX track, although I actually see of whole new category of sport being created at some point, especially for the qualities that these bikes potentially have.
That is why I snapped a bit, because you took my quote, used it and still think that, firstly I don't understand the law, and secondly that I should thank you for explaining it to me.
Its really not that complicated.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO RIDE ANYWHERE WHICH HAS PUBLIC ACCESS.
I get it!!!
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