Bastille Day
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a substantial number of brits travelling abroad are jihadists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985
they may have done more terror than isis in the west have(think all the car bombs in Iraq and Syria, and Nigeria's problems with Boko Haram). How would we feel if the world felt British visitors should be scrutinised in case they hide jihadists?
Absolutely. Everyone, me, you, my family, your family, refugees, migrants should all undergo security screening before moving from one country to another.
Now returning to your point about victimising migrants. Can you please point me to the bit where I suggested that this would be a good idea?
If Brits were involved in terrorism abroad. Id be quite happy to undergo screening and checking before entering another country. I've got nothing to hide and it seems like a totally sensible precaution to me.
As I said before, I hope the French government don't carry out their threats.
Which unchecked people? The tourists, terrorists or the refugees?
I'm trying to make the point that amongst those people you hope will not be allowed to leave freely are some very desperate victims of terrorism.
Though at this stage there is no clear indication that the single perpetrator was linked to any terrorist agenda it is the terrible consequence of such acts that suspicion mounts.
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Could you outline the checks and screening you envisage carried out on everyone - bearing in mind that in WW2 many crashed aircrew inc esacaping Canadians passed themselves off as native French/Belgians with forged documents when passing through France into Spain before returning to UK.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/features/magazine-36744910/36744910
All three groups. It's madness to let a totally unknown person of unknown background with unknown intentions enter a country. Checks need to be made on everyone and that includes me and you.
Agreed.
Not for dramatic effect. The drama today is in Nice.
Thank you for the clarification.
I'm not so sure that attitude should apply to those fleeing from ISIS though, poor souls.
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all this will achieve is loads of grief for tourists: in usa they did/do this and homeland security (with all of its considerable intellect went bananas) and it did nothing to prevent the Orlando nightclub shootings.
Passport checks and cross referencing to national security & terrorism watch lists would be better than nothing. I accept that it's not infallible, but it might filter out someone intent on mass murder.
Again, I'm quite happy to cooperate when travelling.
It's not perfect, but it's a better solution than doing nothing to try and prevent a murderous maniac going about his or her business.
A well known fact? Is that a Daily Mail fact? How many of these terrorists using refugees as cover have been caught? None that I have heard of.
I read an article which suggested that it was difficult for terrorists to hide among the people they have already terrorised, as there was quite an antipathy there...
Moving border checks from Calais to Dover won't make France safer or more dangerous.
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Probably because you live in a hole in the ground. Emerging only to take a pooh on this forum.
Personal insults don't really explain where this 'well known fact' came from.
I'll say again - I don't believe that many terrorists are seeking to sneak into the UK by hiding among refugees.
Surely most terrorist attacks have been carried out by nationals, who would have no need to travel illegally to the UK (if that was their target)
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well, how about evidence? we all have overvalued ideas (I think right wing types struggle with chronic impotence, for example) it doesn't mean we are allowed to make sweeping inferences (I have no evidence for that and am not presenting it as fact, by the way, I suspect its just chronic IBS)
So far the screening methods available give no guarantee of preventing atrocities, and that they are more than a rather ineffective defence, quite often either previously unknown or even known and recognised risky individuals seem to penetrate them and merge invisibly into the population.
The whole system needs a major study to see what improvements can be made, and what is going to be done about the threat's that are identified, how are they to be rendered harmless to the public?
We have neither the means, moral right (Where the threat is only theoretical) or will to jail all suspects for the rest of their lives, nor can we Deport them all for a variety of reasons, as no doubt many are British Nationals.
And lets be honest, the Government has "Mislaid" the whereabouts and identity of most of them anyway, despite us being the nation that tops the list for spying on its own population.
The whole system needs a major study to see what improvements can be made, and what is going to be done about the threat's that are identified, how are they to be rendered harmless to the public?
We have neither the means, moral right (Where the threat is only theoretical) or will to jail all suspects for the rest of their lives, nor can we Deport them all for a variety of reasons, as no doubt many are British Nationals.
And lets be honest, the Government has "Mislaid" the whereabouts and identity of most of them anyway, despite us being the nation that tops the list for spying on its own population.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12006892/International-manhunt-underway-after-French-police-let-Paris-attacks-suspect-slip-through-their-fingers.html
Terrorists hiding amongst refugees and migrants is a tactic being used. To ignor this is madness and presents a danger.
Some form of checking of any person, and by that I include myself, entering a country must take place.
I accept that checks aren't foolproof, but carrying them out at least raises the chances of stopping an atrocity. Even if that is by a small amount, it's worthwhile.
To just wave people through without any form of screening is an act of stupidity.
In England and within the English language, we have a quaint little procedure called comprehension. This is where you read a passage of text, process the information and understand its meaning.
If you re-read my original post, you will see that I wrote that terrorists are using refugees and migrants for cover to smuggle themselves into countries. Using basic comprehension techniques, it is possible to deduce from this that the migrants and refugees are innocent, but a very small number amoungst them are neither migrant or refugee. This small number of people are in fact terrorists.
Your bad comprehension has lead you to misinterpret this, resulting in you drawing an incorrect parallel. "Right wing types suffer chronic importance" implies that all right wing types suffer thus condition. This is the same as saying that all migrants and refugees are terrorists. That has never been suggested.
With such bad comprehension skills, I don't think it is fair on others for you to continue in this debate. Clearly your deficiency in this area is causing you to take people's words entirely out of context. I'm sure there will be some form of English out-reach project in your area where you can brush up on this sort of thing.
Tilson, that last paragraph (Which I don't sympathise with) nevertheless shows that sort of style you have that I admire, well done Sir! I salute you.
What was the line from the song? Nobody does it better?
Could you perhaps run a short tutorial course for others on this forum (no names no pack drill) that lack your dazzling turn of invective? I remain your no 1 Fan,
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so, when you're not being insulting, you try to bully others off forums. Interesting. I'm sure it cant possibly have any links with your views about refugees and migrants, could it?