Are ebikers saving the planet?

[bode]

If it's in the Daily Express it must be true...

 

[john]

What action are you suggesting? Reducing fossil fuel usage? Reduction in oil use will happen naturally due to lack of supply and high price. Gas the same.

Unfortunately, that reduction will not be rapid enough in itself. There are still vast deposits of coal.

There is plenty of things to worry about if you want - try over population - feeding and watering billions more people.

I agree. And a deteriorating climate, with reduced supplies of fresh water will only make the problem worse.

Try thinking about the consequences of oil running out or being so expensive it cripples the economies of the world. Is our government working on this? I doubt it as it is too busy trying to scare us silly with exaggerated stories about global warming.

The point of politicians taking up the issue is that they have to set the framework for the country (us) to take action. Which means reduction in use and development of alternatives to fossil fuels.

 

[HarryB]

Unfortunately, that reduction will not be rapid enough in itself

only if you believe in catastrophic climate change and that we can do anything about it

There are still vast deposits of coal.

might be useful when the oil runs out or if we are being held to ransom by the Russians.

I agree. And a deteriorating climate, with reduced supplies of fresh water will only make the problem worse.

again only if you believe in catastrophic climate change and that we can do anything about it. Not everyone agrees The IPCC: Hiding the Decline in the Future Global Population at Risk of Water Shortage « Watts Up With That?

The point of politicians taking up the issue is that they have to set the framework for the country (us) to take action. Which means reduction in use and development of alternatives to fossil fuels.

Don't get started about politicians. If this was a serious problem they would be doing something about it, believe me. They could start with mass insulation of the older housing stock. I blame Thatcher as she encouraged all this - very convenient if you are pro-nuclear and anti-coal.

 

[HarryB]

If it's in the Daily Express it must be true...

World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown - Times Online

UN climate panel admits 'mistake' over Himalayan glacier melting - Telegraph

UN climate scientists review Himalayan glaciers claim | Environment | guardian.co.uk

 

[john]

Don't get started about politicians. If this was a serious problem they would be doing something about it, believe me.

In a democracy, politicians cannot go much further than public opinion without risking loosing power. I know of several MP's who would like to take greater action on climate change, but when a significant portion of the population don't even accept it as a reality then they are limited in how far they can go. Remember what happened to the fuel price escalator.

 

[Northern Irelander]

If it's in the Daily Express it must be true...

There are other media sources, it just so happened to make front page on the Express, maybe other sources just don't care enough, or they are in the C02 global warming camp because there's something in it for them.

media were quick to condemn Bellamy when he used duff sources of information

 

[Xcytronex]

In a democracy, politicians cannot go much further than public opinion without risking loosing power.

How about going to war with Iraq ? I don't seem to remember a pro-war general public at the onset of the conflict.

 

[HarryB]

In a democracy, politicians cannot go much further than public opinion without risking loosing power. I know of several MP's who would like to take greater action on climate change, but when a significant portion of the population don't even accept it as a reality then they are limited in how far they can go. Remember what happened to the fuel price escalator.

Copenhagen climate summit: Gordon Brown's climate change record attacked - Telegraph

PS The fuel price escalator was introduced to raise more taxes and to ease congestion. By the way it is back for the same reasons.

 

[jasono]

You may have seen this, one of the climate change directors and his theories have been discredited.

He also has an invested interest in a company (TERI) which promotes green products, hmmmmmm no bias there

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: The new climate change scandal

What's interesting about this story is that no one is actually denying climate change, which the vast majority of scientists agree is happening. It seems to be a story about how long it will take for the Himalayan glaciers to melt

If people have not yet seen it, I would urge you to take a look at the Age of Stupid docu/film. I thought it made very interesting viewing

Plus, regardless of the 'climate change' debate, it has got to be wrong to exploit the planet and some of its poorest people

 

[Northern Irelander]

What's interesting about this story is that no one is actually denying climate change, which the vast majority of scientists agree is happening. It seems to be a story about how long it will take for the Himalayan glaciers to melt

If people have not yet seen it, I would urge you to take a look at the Age of Stupid docu/film. I thought it made very interesting viewing

Plus, regardless of the 'climate change' debate, it has got to be wrong to exploit the planet and some of its poorest people

Yes correct on the timescale, however, the point is... his comments were left unchallenged until now. With his close links to company that he runs and recent blunders, it undermines the integrity of his argument that GW is man made. More importantly, he's not an environmental scientist!!

In science you never prove anything, you only ever disprove. Someone can come up with a theory, which stands scientifically, until somebody else disproves that theory..........that's the way in works in the science community.

Accept nothing, check everything!


I'm a scientist in the minority.... for reasons mentioned earlier in this thread

 

[flecc]

Plus, regardless of the 'climate change' debate, it has got to be wrong to exploit the planet and some of its poorest people

Quite right. That's why despite my dismissing the nonsense side of doing something about climate change, I nonetheless recycle and practice minimal usage in order to reduce my burden on the planet.

Of course if we were really serious about "saving the planet", we'd all just commit suicide and solve the problem at a stroke.
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[arkwright]

Of course if we were really serious about "saving the planet", we'd all just commit suicide and solve the problem at a stroke.
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That's one way of doing it

 

[Barnowl]

Of course if we were really serious about "saving the planet", we'd all just commit suicide and solve the problem at a stroke.
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I found the prospect of Mutual Assured Destruction a big concern in the seventies and eighties - could be viewed as suicide from an alien perspective. It would have stopped global warming though.

 

[john]

I found the prospect of Mutual Assured Destruction a big concern in the seventies and eighties - could be viewed as suicide from an alien perspective. It would have stopped global warming though.

Just nuclear winter instead