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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG You cant blame right wing press for Corbyn's ridiculous policies, Abbots stupid comments or for Blairs lies and starting a war.. They are reasons labour are losing voters. Even without right wing press we,d still have all three flushing labour down toilet. Any Labour voter nowadays has to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Much as I agree with the criticism of attacks on Corbyn it does seem most are ambivalent to the situation he has in no small way contributed. The Labour party has completely and utterly collapsed leaving us in a one horse race nobody really seems to want to win. A half credible leader of labour...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Errr...afraid I,m beginning to agree....what on earth is happening.. Nobody but nobody has a plan or anything remotely resembling one...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Their real name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha...not your normal accurate self OG I reckon she,s either been caught using kodi box or listing Scotland on ebay to pay EU fine .
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    She,s abdicating.. Handing over to Charlie... Or she,s planning to stand in election. She,d walk in...get my vote over May, Corbyn or Farron. Perhaps time to abandon democracy ( if we,ve ever trully had it) and return to Aristocracy...not a bad idea..(she,s a brexiteer aswell,)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As normal OG you read into the likes of which have not been said. No , we aren't world police and no its obviously wrong to kill any innocent, its probably wrong to kill ISIS members strictly speaking...but its so easy to pass judgement . What is your suggestion to prevent ISIS taking over...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ofcourse not but OG just Google "What do ISIS want ?" Read a few of the articles . Its quite frightening. Had they the means the current deaths of innocents would be dwarfed.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,m fairly sure we are responsible for many problems, we are still seeing repercussions from Blair days, but not all the worlds wrongs are our fault. Chamblerlain walked away with a bit of paper for Hitler, I wonder how many lives could have been saved had we not tried appeasement. Yes, there...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So do I...but what about Kim Jong Un with his big missiles...and Assad poisoning folk...oh and ISIS... But I do agree...but are those problems just to be left for others to sort. ( Especially the ones we started, or helped start ie ISIS ???) Can we really just leave it alone? Is that the humane...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Your mate Tony Blair has them.in spades !!! BTW the word Gray was searching for is kaputilist..Its brilliant...everything is kaput..ja ?? For you my friend ze war ist over... Kaputilist...OG you,ve started the revolution..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nice one.. OG Think you are right. I believe we need both, along with more teachers, scrapping league tables, ditching OFSTED, hanging a few bankers, decentralising power and finances away from London and more towards such as Hull. Paying fire service better wages, scrapping higher retirement...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Trident is a bloody great big drone..as is cruise missile...just faster..and bigger..but get your point. You,ll all be glad to know wind forecast to drop and change back to NW tomorrow..I,ll be back on my way..leaving OG to his Daily Mail and his Toniness.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,m back...just holed up in St Cyprien, blowing 40 mph..anyhow.. OG Much as I understand and actually agree with some of your last posts sentiments you still mix up your opinions with accepted truths. Its an accepted truth the world is not flat. Its an opinion Trident/ Nuclear deterrent has not...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well do something if you truly believe that OG. Its pointless just saying same old same old. You,ce got your chance. Start canvassing, join a Lib Dem group. You have your vote and the right to persuade others how to use theirs. Moaning on here is utterly futile. May has given remainers another...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps the ignorance is with both sides, neither can see the benefit of the opposing arguments. Remainers seem unable to accept the faults within EU or benefits of leaving. I cant see benefit of remaining and disagree with the many faults levelled at our government. ( well not all) Yes many...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It is all quite a fiasco, whoever and whatever you agree with. I still think its this process doing the damage. Either leave or stay , in most walks of life indecision is the danger. PS,I,m away for 3 weeks as of tonight, internet reception is fairly poor mid Atlantic, so when I come back can we...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, and Mark Carnt make his mind up becoming pro leave...( Which he was originally, didn't realise BJ had turned ??!!)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oh, so now you accept his wisdom ? He was written off as misinformed not long ago.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with that but don't you think Corbyn would have to change his stance on both Nuclear power and Nuclear deterrent. IMHO he made himself unelectable when he said he would never , ever fire trident. After that it might as well be scrapped,. Yes, I know that's not a popular sentiment on here...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Very clever OG, you should be a politician.. you,ve answered neither question...