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The trouble is Tom when you accuse people of being fascist or racist or xebophobic when they actually aren't lets the people who are carry on. In this way your posts actually support the real racists.

Only right wing I ever played was attacking a left full back. Just because I think Corbyn could not run country does not make me a right winger..perhaps a right whinger..but not right winger. And when did I sing praises of Boris ? Never done that, and you know it. The bloke should learn to put...

Come on OG be fair. The video Monbiot gave us was an affront..it was appalling and its message childish, its,as tho it was targeted at imbeciles..and as usual such as Monbiot offer nothing as an alternative. Just attack the establishment with nothing to offer in its place..same with Bono and all...

He,s doing more than Monbiot...

He labelled some tory a paedophile who turned out to be one of his dad's mates, took him to court and proved Monbiot had made entire episode up ...cost him £25k in damages.. Tried reading one of his books, was worse than his video... Its just so ironic Tom screams propoganda all time and peddles...

I,m assuming that's the same George Monbiot who lives off his rental of inherited properties. ( his book sales wouldn't support him) and the same one who had a completely private education paid for by his two CONSERVATIVE mp parents... Perhaps not but I suspect its the same one.. Its bordering...

I suggest you do , carefully, its so nearly pro leave. It reinforces my point, if a government feels like ignoring...it does..what is the point in spending millions,having a house of representation, commissioners, MEPs and all this argument but then just ignoring it all. What remainers really...

No, I,m not blaming them at all. Your post is actually a good argument for leaving, you accept EU has all the right ideologies but cant enforce them. PS. I agreed with keeping mile.

I should have a re read of that first link OG. It says ICI and BL went with no help from EU and the company mentioned received money from Japan ( not EU) to invest. Japanese came for ( agreed) access to EU market and for cheap reliable labour..its hardly an endorsement for EU...its actually...

So please explain the machinery the EU has to alter any of that. I,m not arguing with you over our decline and its reasons, but all your criticisms are of the government, over which even by your own admission EU can only moderate. You have made the same mistake as so many remainers. Your...

But you think you would under remain...which really is wishful thinking. All these social.concerns you talk about have simply got worse over last 20 years so how can you assume next 20 years would see any difference ??

And remain would be just more of same...Its leavers insisting on change.

No it does none of them OG...thats my point exactly. You criticise , rightly, many aspects of our government but then credit EU for imposing some kind of limit. Had some limit been imposed you really think we,d have zero hours contracts etc etc. I think its you wanting it both ways. Tell me...

No , I,m not..think we need another government ( and not Corbyn) and out of EU. You mix up government issues and Brexit ones. EU has no control at all over limiting, directing or even cajoling governments. Get out of EU and then get a government we want. All the things you and Tom criticise...

Yes , I agree , re Grenfell...but it didn't stop it either... I,m not blaming EU for anything but if you cant blame them for negative things ( or what they have not done) you cant really praise them for positive aspects...Seems to me absolutely everything is beyond control of EU...( but watching...

That's brilliant flecc. Well done..not sure where mine will be going in future...its all over place...just as long as it keeps going !!!

This government ( and Corbyn) would be in turmoil with or without Brexit.. And dont forget all the current social problems,including Grenfell, are whilst in EU..our zero hours contracts, our increase in gap between rich and poor, our poor infrastructure, our NHS problems, our austerity...

Got mates I swim /dive with older than me and resting HR sub 50's..but 55 was after spells of training...but 60 at most. There will be cyclists on here well under 55 resting...( but top cyclists, marathon runners etc are between 3 and 5 times more likely to develop AFib..( but you are...

Come on OG be fair, the propoganda machine has been wearing itself out on both sides of the debate. Had we believed Osborne we,d be bankrupt now with FTSE down at its lowest. You cant on the one hand say leavers are fools for believing propoganda but then believe all the other rubbish. We should...

Thanks OG. Feeling better already...resting heart rate down from 160...so on the mend..( Its normally 55 ! ) Been very lucky... Take care.