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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just been listening to JRM on Sunday politics. Dont really like what he stands for, his privilege etc, but his points were correct and calmly well made. Basically he was saying if remain feel so righteous and correct in wanting to remain rather than trying to disrupt leaving at every stage those...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well done OG, you,ve modified your opinion from UK was prepared for war to no it wasn't...but made no difference anyway... Not many on here are capable of such " U" turns...credit to you. But making your opinion of making no difference is very hypothetical and cant be proved either way..but...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, you are right. But cant see any point ? The Germans also had Freya, as a radar system probably better than ours but we did have far superior control and command system put in place by Mallory...brother to chap who did or didn't climb Everest. Germans also had 20 mm Canon on Me,109 and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Flecc We are talking about radio active, chemically poisonous shells here..not wether nutella is bad for your teeth.. The oxides produced on burning of DU shells are known to be lethal. Thing is people tend to keep well away...for a while..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Not really. The "shells" deemed TNW are not shells in common use of word. Essentially they are missiles and rocket propelled but launched from a tube/ barrel.. The only working version of nearest thing to a shell was the W82 TNW...launched from a barrel but essentially not a shell. It was rocket...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Flecc The Institute of Nuclear Technology-Radiation Protection of Attiki, Greece, has noted that "the aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think this was dismissed as propoganda OG. They couldn't get " bomb* to cope with acceleration in barrel...but who knows. Could be.( but not in 1953) And you dont have to be so confrontational OG. The Davy Crocket was never intended to be fired from a tank.Its only in last 20 years or so a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes but there hasn't been a war like WW2. The Russians and Chinese and North Koreans have not attacked Europe.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its not quite that simple Flecc. The DU shells if left undisturbed are exactly as you describe but unfortunately that's not normally the case. The tank hit will burst into flames creating clouds of radio active smoke. If that's breathed chances are you will at some stage develop cancer. The...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,d thought Tactical Nuclear Weapons were envisaged to be used against deep bunkers. ( or the masses of Russian tanks) A low yield bomb was combined with a penetrating missile...the resultant " earthquake" destroyed the deepest of bunkers. Attaching nuclear bombs to tank shells was just a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Exactly.Well said.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No chance. They have developed ( copied) high output light weight motors which can give extraordinary power to weight....without including the battery. The 20 year delay is waiting for battery technology. Last time I looked best battery available gave a power storage( volume) coefficient of 7. (...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Common people takes on a different meaning now Tom. The common people you refer to now drive Audis , work in telecoms and earn £50k a year. Its why your left is struggling. Move on Tom. Times have changed.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, not at all. Read the book OG. Being prepared for war is not just a material issue. Germans with help of Heinz Guderian had developed modern way of utilising tanks/ blitzkrieg ( A brilliant book) We had stopped development of tank and cut funding tto RAF. ( The Spitfire and Merlin engine were...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, disagreeing with myself , Andrew Knighton and a whole host of historians ( and leaders) is fine. But dont tell me its rubbish. You and I have enjoyed the peace that " rubbish" has provided over last 70 years or so.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG Read my post again. I said the Germans were preparing for war. We were not. Had we been perhaps Germans would not have gone to war. Andrew Knighton has written an excellent book on topic. (7 reasons why UK was not prepared for war in 1939) This is a very short extract. "In retrospect, the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sounds to me like you are an expert at Orange spiking ??? They are nailed to road ???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You might have a point, trouble is there is no actual way of knowing. But, just to correct you. Yes, first world war was preceeded with massive arms build up. The second was not. Germany was building military power secretly and we were running ours down. France was putting all its faith in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Think you might spot that tho...I,d have thought idea was to hide the nails ??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its a little bit rich this one OG when you consider the biggest contributor towards N02 are the German diesel cars ...the same ones that put cheat software into cars. ( Car goes into clean mode if steering and or brakes are not used...ie) when its been tested) But we should all be helping...