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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post flecc. Cant disagree with any of that. End result is same, we have Tories in power for foreseeable future....either way..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In But labour lost last GE flecc, had they not done so the complete make up of country might h a ve changed for better. We would not have bombed Syria, supported Trump and the Brexit negotiations would have taken on a completely different complexion. We will look back in 10 years and think what...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And so are you if you can not see my point that she is one of main reasons labour are unelectable. Cure those problems and ofcourse labour are electable. Your argument is self defeating..kerp Abbott stay out of power...its you wanting it both ways.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They shoould already be in power and your claim , actually admission, suggesting they are avoiding power at moment actually means we are operating under a one party democracy, which is an anachronism and is exactly why Tory party feel unthreatened . They are in a more omnipotent position than...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    When she is part of problem its perfectly rational. Diane Abbott , and others like her, are making labour unelectable. That's not wa ting it both ways at all. The way she has been treated is at odds with how Smith and,Champion were and that is totally JC's responsibility. OG You seem to.insist...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,m always rather suspicious of any graphs given that supress zero as this one does Tillson. The actual drop is from 1.156 to 1.148...about 0.7 %...??? I,d have to be heating water in harbour rather than boat to save £300 ???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Neither was May ! She was well down pecking order and nobody thought her pm material, perhaps because she isn't... Its not the fact that she may never be pm ,( Abbott that is) god forbid,its how JC has handled her and why ?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I notice your insulting tone still afflicts you... What you fail to comprehend is the fact the only reason May can do just about as she pleases is simply because she knows full well there iss no alternative. The woman has made a fiasco of brexit negotiations, probably lied over goodness how many...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I suppose you mean Abott's attempts at posting on twitter or May,s failure in HoC to get support for bombing folk or perhaps,Labour MP,s denouncing JC ??? If anything May is stronger than before I went on my jollies. When oh when will stupid labour come to their senses. Kick out JC,Abott and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because Diane Abbot is the alternative?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So let just sum all this up. KGB ( Russian) had nothing to do with umbrella ricin attack. Litvinenco deserved poisoning ( by polonium?) on UK soil because he was a bad guy...or actually event never happened/ and /or Litvinenco was wrong on his death bed blaming Putin. The PI into case got all...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG / Flecc If I thought so lowly of country I resided in I,d pack my bags and live elsewhere. Yes, obviously UK has its faults and had been guilty of terrible things in past, but to compare our regime, even this corrupt inadequate set of politicians with such as Putin ,Assad etc etc is actually...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is unfair OG and you know it and if you really believe it its pointless us continuing our discussion.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because it shows Putin and his organisation for what it is. The Litvinenco case has a massive bearing on all this, to dismiss it is to dismiss the core of the problem. Its like saying the Kray twins early behaviour had nothing to do with their later killings. It tells you an awful lot about the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because Iran/ Syria/ Russia want a free hand to do as they wish. And discredit West, specifically US,UK and France. I dont agree we should be playing international policeman ( again) but portraying us as the bad guys is wrong.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Apologies for posting this again but I do not think anyone offered any explanation as to why Litvinenco felt like saying the things he did on his death bed. IMO both his situation and comments are an indictment of the way people are treated under Putin. We might feel put down, badly done to etc...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Or vice versa flecc ? What reason has Macron got to lie ?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, apparently they wear white helmets and help kids after been gassed. Like I said, we are being manipulated, some more than others. The issue has nothing to do with wether we have agents abroad. Its simply do we have agents posing as " White helmets" who are inventing scenarios around the use...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's hardly evidence Woosh and I do not believe what I want. I believe the information which serms more credible, reasonable and explicable. Having UK agents posing or working as humanitarian helpers is rather low, even for us. For Syria/ Russia / Iran to claim so is sort of par for course. I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In From Wiki. "The organisation has been the target of a disinformation campaign by supporters of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Iranian and Russia-sponsored media organisations such as Russia Today (RT) and Iranian news agency MNA, with unproven claims of close ties with terrorist...