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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Who is being naive now. What do MPs know or what super powers are they privvy to us mere mortals cant muster? Corbyn is making his mind up to see if he can make a decision or not. Come on Woosh your average potato could make an mp at moment.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I I dont think they can, would need an act of parliament. Mentioned earlier some MPs have Who knows. We are in unchartered waters. Cometh the hour... We get Abbott and Costello Corbyn.. I tend to agree with Tommie. We are heading down that track...???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I I dont think they can, would need an act of parliament. Mentioned earlier some MPs have vowed to stop no deal but no idea how.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Come on flecc. If Tommie is correct it will seriously affect ebike sales. If you are correct WTF are they wasting time and money producing rubbish like this for members to ignore. A point I made about a year ago, which you ignored then aswell. Either its interfering or pointless. You decide.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Whats point if having them then. Pointless springs to mind.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And you know full well it works other way if you are selling stuff.. Besides pound has been over valued for a goid few years. Look at costs abroad. Diesel, petrol, food etc is more or less same cost now. For years stuff (especially fuel) has bern cheaper for brits abroad than at home. Thats...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think a lot would. I, d vote remain definitely if I thought we were heading no deal. Fingers would vote remain if he thought it would be May's. So extrapolate that sample from here and it would swing to remain by a massive margin. Besides, we, d never know which wouldnt help the rift..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes Tommie might be OTT with his comment, he is obviously talking metaphorically, not literally and he has a point. Corbyn has bern absolutely stupid and IMHO has put party politics and his own ambitions way before country. Even Attlee joined forces with Churchill in 1940... Plus Corbyn, being...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But your second vote influences thoughts on first. For example I would never vote leave to have no deal. On the other hand fingers would never vote leave to have Mays deal. So once again your vote is biased towards remain. Its a crazy idea and will never be offered, fortunatrly. And yes, I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-if-everyone-had-voted-in-the-eu-referendum/ Have a read of this OG. There is an assumption Remain would have won easily if all the disenfranchised, lazy or holidaying groups had been allowed, bothered to vote. Its not quite the conclusion researchers found. In a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its still a 3 option vote. Suppose first question was answered yes 66%..no 34%.. Then your Yes was split 33/33..(or in OG maths 50/50) Would be a nightmare and not just under my scenario. Its unworkable under any.. Daft for you Woosh. Once you introduce any kind of 3 option the majority margin...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with 50hz over ref2..Only problem being what would it solve. Could be nothing. Could still end up no deal.. Suppose leave won and MPs rejected May's deal.. Or remain win, could kick start mayhem. Wording could be, would be, contentious. Is it Remain /May's deal or Remain/ No deal...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Y You are forgetting fact Queen and her hubby, despite their immigrant past or perhaps because of it, are infact Eurosceptics and leavers. Perhaps we should reinstate monarchy. Couldnt do much worse.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Nothing but EU could give more guarantees about backstop or even allow us free access??? No, she has no manouvering room but I believe she has 3 days to come up with a plan B... (plan A??) As I said just thinking out loud... I think we will have ref2.. Mays deal or remain. MPs would pass her...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Two stage ref wont happen. Way to complicated. One of worries is turnout will be low..Too low?? Then its void??? Sorry OJ... It is early...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Just wonder if all this is planned. Probably giving credit where none due but current situation is putting pressure on EU to offer an improved deal. (or guarantees in law) May is still safe. (assuming she wins no condidence vote, which I, m pretty sure she will) ???? Perhaps government not as...
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    get ready??

    Its not quite that simple flecc. Cars on UK roads must be type approved for towing. A whole host of cars that would make great little tow cars simply can not be used legally. (fitting a tow bar to a none type approved car would invalidate insurance. Hardly any modern sports cars are put through...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its a good argument but wrong. Your anology with (as you call them priests) Irrespective of their behaviour even when way outside those of any christian, they were still priests. (your word) Irrespective of his policies or beliefs Blair was Labour leader. I, ve already said his personal beliefs...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://theconversation.com/new-labour-20-years-on-assessing-the-legacy-of-the-tony-blair-years-76884 Worth a read. Seems to me we can either have what flecc views as real labour in opposition or a popular labour in power. Yoghurt, oats and fruit everymorning for me... Have made my own but not...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://mol.im/a/6589561 What Blair was or indeed is is totally irrelevant. As I keep having to repeat he was elected to power by Labour MPs, Union leaders and socialist societies on his well publicised policies. For 13 years he was Labour figurehead, leader and policy maker. Anyone saying he...