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I agree but it takes the lot down. Only possible way forward is for current labour to somehow amalgamate with the labour blue and listen to such as Campbell, Kinnock, Blair and chap OJ posted link to. Perhaps its a generational thing, some fail to accept the old guard of Tory/Labour and...

OG, Flecc and Agnew typify exactly why Tory won with their resounding victory. Trouble is they, just like opposition to Tories, have closed minds, refuse to hear or see the real reasons why they lost, openly admitting to have not watched video (they dont need to) yet continue to insult the very...

Amazing how we have not just one but two posters in our midst that know more about politics than Mathew Goodwin, so much so that they dont have to even watch his silly videos to know he, s wrong. Conceited or what. I dont care about your silly voting patterns Flecc, they are irrelevant, as are...

You have tonight proved it is utterly pointless arguing with you when you comment about videos and then admit you havent even watched them. I,ve always thought you responded to posts without reading them. Its proven to be case now. Wont be responding to you anymore. Totally pointless. Watch the...

At 7.20 OJ posted his video. At 7.28 you posted your response. The video lasts around 40 minutes . You obviously watched it in fast forward without sound. Sort of your normal attitude to studying things. Well done OG. Shown your true colours. If you had any sense at all you would have at least...

Its a count of times folk have felt like telling OG to feck off for good reason. Hope you watched OJ's video. (apologies Flecc, originally thought OG had posed question) Seems Mathew Goodwin was made to eat his words rather prematurely. His predictions and reasons about demise of Labour were...

Brilliant. Hope current Labour party all watched it.

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So you think its aftermath of Blair keeping Labour out?

That's it, blame the electorate.Cant all be educated and informed like you can we OG. 45,015

Those left leaning MPs need to be part of a wider Labour including such as Corbyn and McDonell. I dont get your stance flecc. I, m not arguing at all for demise of far left, quite reverse. I, m just telling you, and its been proved, our country does not want a Labour party containing just far...

Rubbish. Labour could have won both last 2 elections.

They dont have the socialists needed for folk to get a fair deal. They had Swinson... Besides the Labour voters wanted a Labour party they could believe in and trust to run country. Give them one and they will return.

Because it had no choice.

It wont though OG. Labour will never be relected without its Attlee counterpart. Labour have learnt nothing from either this episode or the downfall of Attlee. Going back all those years it was a left wing faction led by Bevan (The Bevanites as opposed to the Corbynites) that led to Labour...

The route you and Labour party seem to want will simply keep Labour out of power for another generation, perhsps indefinitely or at least until they realise they must unite under one roof to ever get chance of sitting under a roof in Downing street. Your argument only makes sense to those in...

A pink Tory might be fine, we have what could prove to be darkest blue since Thatcher.

And its exactly why they are not in power.

Sorry Flecc you are wrong. In your scenario if the centrist party gets power there is still no representation of left wing. The Labour party needs to encompass the wider ideology of both left wing snd centrist views. It should not be one or other it should be both. It was in Wilsons day and to a...

Troll free sounds good..