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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, I agree they did. Government listened to what folk want. Its obvious now majority, rightly or wrongly, want to leave. Sorry to tell you this because it means majority of UK voters are thick, racist, uninformed xenophobes as opposed to intelligent, socially aware informed people like us two...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We, ve got to give Boris 3 years before judging anything... And leaving probably 10. So far Boris is making right noises and seems to understand position he is in. Credit where credit due, so far...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Very good post flecc, making some good points. Agree with much of it but the thing never mentioned is the cultural beliefs Corbyn seens to represent. I totally agreed with his spending, it only brings us on par with France/Sweden and thats why reluctantly he got my vote. What frightened me about...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because there is no alternative 45,118
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes, thats why we vote tho flecc. To see which opinion is the majority. Tories achieved 3 votes to Labours 2.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I totally agree with almost everything you say, I, m such a cad, especially the bit about losing right to comment if you didn't vote. Just remind us how you voted in election or referendum. Oh thats right you didnt. So follow your own advice and shut up. (as you told me to a few days ago) Think...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps you should read Goodwin and watch video. Sort of stuck in a grove OG. Move on. Times have changed. How much influence does Mail, Express, Telegrapj, BBC etc etc have over you. Zero. Does media influence Flecc, 50,Woosh,Agnew, Fingers, myself. No none of us. It influences this pretend...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Rubbish. All of it. Especially the media excuse. The revolution has started,Labour coming together under a new slogan for us all to face thw future with and turf the Tories out of power with. "Progressive Patriotism". I, m not sure those words arent mutually exclusive but hey its Wrong Daily's...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oh, yes I never thought of that... (sarcastic face) And so what? You really think even if he doesnt do everything promised Labour are any more electable. Ofcourse not. We, ve had Tory austerity, failing NHS, increased pension ages, women having pension cash stolen from them, pound lowest for...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, they, ll blame Corbyn. He didnt oppose leaving, Tories or Boris. Public will remember, and be reminded if its the case, Corbyn hasnt supported a single EU initiative in 25 years and he had leave in his 2017 manifesto but got annhilated in 2019 when he didnt.. Besides, come on OG, all Tories...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There wont be a viable, electable opposition in foreseeable future. Lets face it how on earth could Tories be worse than they were with May and Labour couldnt beat them. Its been said for months now. For our democracy to wotk at all it needs an electable, viable second party. Without one its...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well, there we go again. Nothing if not predictable. Wont watch, wont listen and cant see irony at accepting destruction of labour party but then moans at Tories. OG the only possible altetnative to Tories is the Labour party. Without a viable opposition we have a one party democracy, but then...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Unfortunately the dogma he demonstrates in his reluctance to watch videos, refusal to listen to others and label any disagreeing as idiots is exactly the same as that shaping our current labour party. Neither will change. Just look at the likely next leader of Labour. Same old, same old. The...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because there was no viable alternative. 40,117
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If foxes need killing I, m fairly sure a bloke with a shotgun is way more efficient, less cruel and more humane than it been chased around the countryside by a pack of hounds. Seems on a par with dog fighting, bear baiting and coursing to me,which are illegal? No real place for it. Its unacceptable.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Might affect emtbs too. Country Park rangers have had another "got nothing to do" few days. Asked me how powerful by bike was, told them about Bradley Wiggins powerful, and then they had a go at a family for "allowing" 5 yr old to ride his electric bike on tracks and told same family to put...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I made same point myself, but as I said then he was proven correct in next election. Ofcourse, not everything he says is correct but his explanation and methodoligy are perfect. He certainly has an insight way beyond that of most politicians. Its just a shame Labour didnt listen to him. His...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ofcourse getting into power for you and current Labour is a waste of time.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Totally irrelevant, a distraction you, ve bought into.