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No he does not. Its like saying a doctor or magistrate does. And self effacing has nothing at all to do with 2 faced. It's the ability to realise we all make mistakes, accept the fact and admit it to yourself and others. It's actually the opposite of 2 faced. And if anyone is being 2 faced it's...

Thanks. Put it on list.

Mmm. Churchill saying.. "he has a lot to be modest about". Think referring to Atlee. But thanks all same Danidl. Nice to hear such a voice of reason. Suspect its for different reasons.

It was neither. OG said he was right more than me. That means very little. I was being self effacing.. You won't understand the concept. Self effacing bias is hardly a concept either of you suffer from.

If we can dismiss Spieghalter's data analysis every doctor, teacher, judge, civil servant, lecturer, social worker, and health worker's work or opinions are corrupted. ONS is independent. If govt were in control of ONS this could all have been hidden. Just get ONS to say no infections anywhere...

That's certainly debatable and you are starting from a very low threshold. My comment was in jest, not insult. You are moaning again OG.

We were talking about the vaccine roll out, which was described as chaotic. It's been anything but...

Moaning old fecker.

You probably will considering your low threshold for chaotic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Statistics_Authority Read the background section flecc. If folk can't trust ONS we really are in a mess.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Spiegelhalter How is any of that a Government employee.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/david-spiegelhalter-covid19-statistics-coronavirus-government-a4436471.html Yes, it's an old article but David Spieghalrer has absolutely nothing to gain from giving out government propoganda. He as often spoken against government but when he says something...

In the Guardian. That stalwart of Tory power.

It all revolves around whether BJ can muster enough support to keep IDS and his cronies in their place. There are 2 parties within Tories at moment.

IDS is a danger, he was planning next wave whilst at peak of this. He actually sounded quite a lunatic. Unfortunately he isn't alone. Business leaders especially hospitality section don't see restrictions as a preventative measure but just a restriction on their profits. See what Boris says...

Agreed.

Agreed, I do. I, ll take the advice. Whilst doing so can I suggest some posters try to see the good things we have achieved instead of knocking everything.

Could be... Its why we need a public enquiry when it's all over. Examining not just the Govt, PSE, NHS but also media. There has been so much bull about. Might have been better had they had it as a goal. Guaranteed they couldn't have achieved anything like enough infections to get there. It is...

We had Patrick Valance around 10th March making statement linked earlier, then Hancock on 14th saying above. The rumour govt were seeking herd immunity all stemmed from the mis quoting of PV on R4.. All folk involved at every briefing made the point quite clearly. Herd Immunity was never a goal...

I suspect you are only person in Europe Danidl who thinks EU roll out has gone well. If EU roll out has been OK why is Ursula Von Leyen apologising about it?