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Jonathon.. Agreed, we can always justify the bad behaviour of those we support but see fault those we oppose. It's human nature. Think we ought to rise above our base instincts and see faults and merits on all sides... Not doing is prejudiced. Nobody is suggesting all Tories are perfect but...

Mountbatten after been torpedoed during war, came to surface along side an ordinary seaman.. "funny how scum always rises to top*... Was seaman's retort... Rayner must have been brought up on a different street to me. Misogynistic, homophobic????

Next fall out with a colleague /boss/patient call them misogynistic, homophobic, banana Republic scum and see how long before you are sacked. I doubt you thinking it case will be much of a defence.??? And I can't find any dictionary definition linking scum with corruption.??

No I did not Jonathon. I actually said I doubt there is a genuine link between the two events. There doesn't have to be a direct link for thm to interact on people's minds. Rayner's comments have, since the murder, been prevalent on social media,prompting discussion about both events. Either...

Agreed to a point. His letter box, rent boys and other such comments are totally indefensible... But nobody is defending them... He was out of order... As was Rayner, who to be fair came over far more aggressive, confrontational and it seemed said in seriousness. Johnson are along lines of...

???? You, ll have to clarify that OG. I don't buy into much of the propoganda pushed by both sides. Its not long since we were being told Johnson had lit his cigar with a five pound note infront of some homeless man. An allegation proved utter rubbish but the mud sticks. Johnson isn't a great...

No, but why say it or defend saying it? The woman saying it could be deputy priminister? How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable?

It's a ridiculous world when an MP has become an endangered job. My daughter joined Fire Service 12 years ago, you accept she is going to be put in dangerous situations. It comes with the job, as it does with a policeman and other walks of life... But an MP??? What on earth is going on?

So how does calling people scum help with any of that? Especially so when it was such a generalisation and by the way not said by some ordinary member of public. She is deputy leader of labour party. She isn't an ordinary member of public and as such has responsibilities beyond members of...

She didn't call a corrupt person scum. She called all Tories Scum... And doing so makes doing something about the system you mention so much harder. She hasn't gained a thing... Like most emotional outbursts its totally unproductive and almost certainly damaging to Labour or herself.. Not the...

But all you are doing is perpetuating the spiral. If folk have done wrong, either politically or legally, the only way to deal with it is officially, either the ballot box or the courts. No matter what anyone says it is not justified labelling folk scum, and worse. It simply justifies a spiral...

Sorry OG, can't agree with that. Both are wrong. Calling people scum (amongst other things) is politics of hate and should have no place in any civilised governance. MPs should be setting examples, not adding to flames. If people can't keep emotions in check, irrespective of justification, they...

Totally agree OG but the language and attitude of some MPs doesn't help.. ( Eg scum comments from certain sections of our society)

Has anyone any idea of motive? Ridiculous waste of life..

Yep, I, ve had one already and 2 cardio versions... Think they are going to do a second ablation.. Seeing them 1st Nov... They said at time I, d need 2 ablations...not sure why, something to do with too many nerves to ablate on one trip..???

Funny you should mention that. I had a bad AF attack whilst sailing a few months ago, came in to eat, (I find it staves off the muscle tiredness whilst in AF) and I could hardly chew. My jaw muscles were absolutely worn out..??? Put it down to fatigue but could be heart related.???

Don't get me wrong, I, m not knocking slow jogging at all. Its obviously a fantastic method for losing weight, keeping fit, etc etc.. I try to cut down on every activity likely to aggregate knees in slightest... To save them for ruination from windsurfing... I need the motivation of emtb...

I, ve got one on order... Exact same thing... On slow boat from China though. They are called efoils. Technology along similar lines to ebikes. The foil being so much more efficient than a planing surface means you can cut down on power and so prolong range/time on water... Foiling is much...

Completely off topic... But just to note how much sailing world has changed.. Its just been Weymouth speed week. (I didn't go because little wind was forecast) For normal windsurfing most need a minimum of 13 kts or so to get planing.. And that means massive boards and massive sails. They had...

It was a Long Boat Danidl... Narrow boat is rather later, metallic, somewhat slower and terrible on sea.. Had Vikings relied on Narrow boats for exploration I doubt they, d have got beyond their own fjords. Viking boats /ships were surprisingly broad...