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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Your very first post re the Changes made the fascist claim. I, m not sure but think Tony Blair carried out similar reforms in 2005.(Constitutional Reform Act).. Was he described as a Fascist for doing so.. Besides the changes were planned in 2019 Manifesto... (might even have been earlier).. At...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Raab is only carrying out pledges in Tory manifesto. Your opinion that those changes warrant a fascist label is purely that, your subjective opinion. By all means explain the planned changes you dislike and what they mean. The devil is in the detail. Simple fact is you have no idea what Raab or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You brought in fascist comment... I believe policies you were talking about were on either David Cameron or Theresa May's watch. . Not exactly accurate or helpful. And, I have never defended Boris' lies or inept Tory policy. The only thing I have criticised is "hate speech" which is prevalent...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, and he lights cigars infront of homeless with fivers. He, s fascist scum. I give up.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Don't talk rubbish. Its you putting forward calling folk scum, fascists etc as being an answer. And you are doing exact same now. Because I point out Boris isn't a fascist you decide I love him. It's actually quite pathetic. Carry on hating, see where it gets you. And you mentioning blindness...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, they all lie. It's called politics. It's wrong but hate speech, or not condemning it certainly won't help. If we sacked every politician who had lied house would be empty. Almost.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You obviously didn't watch Marr.. Boris was made to look a bumbling fool with stupid replies. Call him fascist scum... He smiles and puts you down.Without saying a word.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with that principle entirely. Valid, specific points,well made to point out faults. That is generally not happening. We label, shout and insult. The entire media is calling for the heat to be taken out of British politics. From Brexiteers calling remainers traitors, leavers called...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, not quite OG. Cameron, May or even BJ haven't organised a Crystalnacht. Don't think hyperbole helps. It's easy to dismiss and make opposition to Tories look quite ridiculous. Opposition to Tories needs to be rather more targeted.Alikening them to fascists etc etc is both justifying the hate...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-might-brexit-affect-human-rights-in-the-uk/ Tories have been planning changes for a while.??? It was in their last manifesto. (claimed here)??? Not just Dr and BJ then.. Goes back to Cameron at least.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Any party isn't just it's leader. Look at arguments over last few days, Starmer's inability to act /condemn Rayner and or m25 protesters... He, s no more attractive to voters than Corbyn was. In fact Corbyn was probably more decisive. He was quick to sack Champion. But time will tell. You really...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Better, more convincing argument Flecc. Raab's explanation sounded reasonable but suppose that's why he's a politician... They do have to get any changes debated and through the house... Motives and detail will be more apparent at that stage.. And don't forget this monopoly on power stems from...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.cityam.com/raab-sets-out-plans-to-end-european-judges-dictating-uk-on-human-rights/ This seems perfectly understandable to me and any changes must be put before house any way???Isn't this the sort of thing he should be doing???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Errr. Cos that's what it says in both headlines and article..???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No just the Strasbourg ones... I thought we had our own judicial system??? Why do we need 2???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-echr-strasbourg-human-rights-raab-supreme-court/ Since we are no longer in EU this seems perfectly acceptable. Surprised its not case already. Everyone ignores EU judges anyway. What's new? Certainly isn't scum worthy.. Unless you are a brainwashed extremist...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thought Tories evolved around 1922? Not much reference to them in middle ages..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You sure about that OG... Not being regognised as HRH would have been worse for his ego than being called scum.. Great story either way..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Humour... Taking situation into account both extradinary and acceptable.. But at Labour conference from deputy leader... Neither applicable. Suspect this tale is one of our Urban myths. I first heard this tale from an old chap in a pub 50 years ago... Read same story in a magazine claiming story...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Other unmentioned aspect of all this is the sheer hypocrisy. Years ago I was disciplined for describing a young man as "that pleasant tall coloured lad". A few moths ago some policeman was disciplined (I think sacked?) for saying "you must like curries" to an Asian chap. We, ve all experienced...