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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    By that argument Flecc we could have come out of lockdown, enjoyed the lifestyles we have over past 6 months or so, saved all the hassle and expense of vaccines and still only had same infection rate. I suspect had Tories known we could have done that without our vaccines Lizz Truss would have...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What about SW?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So how do you explain all the current social gatherings with relatively low infection rates with correspondingly lower severe infection/death rates? A good friend of mine manages a care home. Not a single covid death in 3 months and no social distancing at all. Yes, they, ve had a few...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I gave you an example. (flimsy evidence)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It certainly doesn't appear that way Woosh. For last few weeks if you want negative information about vaccines, this is the place to look. For example.. Your claim vaccine producers sold vaccines on "flimsy" evidence is hardly supportive is it. And it assumes a level of collusion by Mhra /JCVI...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's not just a case of the thought OG... Its who you ask for information and having a bit of faith in those qualified to know about virology and statistics. Every doctor, epidemiologist, NHS boss, Mhra rep, JCVI member, Sage member will all say same. Get the jab. But who do some folk want to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How many of us examine our jabs to this extent before foreign travel. Its all got rather obsessive. Just have the jab... And get out on your bike. Can you imagine nipping to nurse a few months before a trip to India... Then demanding exact source, name, history, certification of every jab...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/02/covid-booster-shots-significantly-strengthen-immunity-trial-finds
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do see that point flecc and also agree it could be case but on our progress towards herd Immunity, if solely by that mechanism we would have to see hundreds of thousands of premature deaths. If case vaccines would have been a scaffold during our natural progression to herd Immunity. I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Stop feeding the conspiracy theorists Woosh. Yep, I suspect your hyperbole is to exaggerate point but many just use this type of opinion to justify a total anti vax stance. And, let's be straight here. Our only hope is vaccines. Yes, obviously they need to improve but if a high proportion of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's easy to criticise current vaccines, they aren't as effective as hoped and possibly claimed but let's not lose sight of what they have achieved. We have for a good few months enjoyed essentially normal lives. Old Trafford was full last night. (Football attendance had bounced back above pre...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The "he always is" is reference to both the number of times I, ve argued with flecc and with ironic undertones. "flecc is always right".. I, d guess you missed the irony in your search for something else. But, heho, I bet you are a joy in those meetings.. (irony warning). Apologies flecc. To be...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But you are doing it with me now. It's you arguing and changing point. You said "I didn't start this" The question isn't whether you did or not, it's simply childish to claim "I didn't start this"... Especially when you are continuing it... Hence my comment "my grandson says that a lot"...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My 6 year old grandson says that... A lot.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Brilliant. You, ve convinced us all Soundwave. I, ll buy a bong and a few flagons of cider, grow weed, buy a samurai, stop using capital letters, switch off my spell check and talk bo11ox. Job done. And, by the way, 2020 shows over a 7% increase over 2019 and largest increase in all your quoted...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Over 5000 pages... No problem... Wonder who has arrived to demonstrate this issue??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post... Anybody working on assumption Cannibis isn't dangerous... Just call at your local psychiatric ward..... I, m sure they'll offer advice. Seriously. It's amazing isn't it, our cannabis advocate feels it necessary to own and keep at hand a Samurai sword. He either is in some danger or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But you extoll the virtues of cannabis.. Then tell us not to throw stones?? Are you sure you aren't smoking at the moment.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And a cautionary tale. Obviously in course of job I came across suppliers. One a very pleasant chap had much the same opinion as expressed by Andy and SW. He was a minor player but decided to go bigger. Police weren't "bothered" and he was "giving (actually selling) his product to those that...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Think you need to have some more research. Your premise cannabis doesn't cause psychosis is accepted to be generally true... But if you are in anyway susceptible to psychotic episodes Cannabis will find them. I had 30 years in Special Ed units with close links to both prison services and...