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Bosch defo won't be having a uk service centre. So we will be investing in stock and training to ensure we can look after ktm dealers and customers directly. They seem to think they can handle te whole of Europe from Germany . We will see....

Yes, but the computer you're using to measure it could also be 10% out ;)

what we are is giving up on this thread. It was about liability, not legality. and it was about dongle effecting warranty. its gone way off topic, into old old old debates. So we're breaking the law of forums.... and continuing to post after we've already said we wouldn't :) that and ....

we break lots of laws :)

With the grea the service guide is for the old style Bosch drive. When we posted it, we couldn't find anything on the Bosch information that said doing the work would invalidate the warranty. The site you're quoting is what is up now, and for the new drives. Which is why I've said we...

no not at all... I was hoping for a response from someone who knows what they are talking about, ie someone else who sells eBikes. Not a load of debate about things that aren't overly relevant. But its got way out of hand, so I've been responding to points. Its not me keeping this thread...

I'm not. Believe me I've looked into this a lot more than any of you - I promise you. just to prove the pointless nature of your continued attempts to use the grey area surrounding 250w bikes to justify your use of much higher powered bikes. I'll actually use Flecc's previous post on this...

ok, sorry yes, it was about warranty AND liability. I'm sorry I missed your post, it wasn't ignored, it was missed. So I'm going to reply now, and upset the people who seemed happy to see this actually quite important discussion ended. we uploaded that file, so people could see how easy...

oh god... you guys do love going round in circles don't you. We're not interested in debating what is or isn't illegal, or how you want to convince yourselves your safe to use your bike as an individual. Flecc you even now appear to be arguing with yourself about what it currently legally ok...

Currently to the best of my knowledge and with the advise we have, yes all are legal as they are sold to our dealers. How they leave the store isn't something we can monitor exactly.

why would they be mad?? Have they something to hide? Its a point that should be being discussed and isn't. Why have these conversations in private, do you as an end consumer not want to know whats going on?? So we've put our head above the wall, and we can see no reason why others shouldn't...

at the moment this sector in the UK is tiny and all the brands should be working together to help our dealers make informed decisions, so that it can grow. The standard cycle industry is much more mature as a market and the brands all work together on lots of things. I don't see why this...

yes, I appreciate you don't understand. So why post? If you don't care, or don't understand don't post. Its impossible to put small print in anything to absolve responsibility for lots of things. Believe me, I've been to court 3 times about a variety of things and you can even get people to...

I can see why you can come to the conclusion.... but this is different, and your use of the inner tube to murder shows that you've not understood what I mean about liability. Its not about being prosecuted for using the bike / inner tube / knife / gun illegally. Its about there being an...

after the warranty expires, you're just buying parts for your bike, so I can't see why anyone from any brand would know or care really what you were doing. Its only during the warranty period that it matters because if what your doing over stresses the bike, beyond what its designed to do either...

This isn't us, it's Bosch. We are just one of the brands who use Bosch drives. If anything Bosch fails its Bosch who handle the warranty.

rather strangely, the rules don't make any sense again with this. https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules In Great Britain, if you’re 14 or over you don’t need a licence to ride electric bikes that meet certain requirements, and they don’t need to be registered, taxed or insured. So it doesn't...

all true, but it doesn't change the risk of liability should one of these people be involved in an accident whilst using their bike in the UK. Or are you seriously tell me that these people don't ride their bikes in the UK? Also, if they are taking their bikes to ride abroad, they should be...

We do, and we've asked, and they've said don't sell them. Which is why I was asking on here, why others feel comfortable taking the risk. Its my job to worry about everything, the law, the competition, everything. Its not that we're worried about selling volume of bikes, we're not. We sold...

ok, I've just had a re-read though things and I should probably point out we're not worried about prosecution, its the liability that concerns us. This seems to have been lost in the debate a bit. My concern is that it'll be an insurance company that comes after us, claiming for damages...