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By rights I should be a throttle user right now. riding the bike is actually keeping me out of that situation. Lets hope we can all avoid the need for a throttle while we're still able to get out.

Mike I thought I'd need a throttle too, my first e-bike had one, but after a bit I realised it was more comfortable to soft pedal than just sit there. The Bosch goes really well imo on soft pedalling, but other bikes go A LOT faster for low effort. Luckily there is a choice of system, and most...

Summed up well. I'm a very reluctant pedelec rider, I wouldn't be riding one if I wasn't ill, I'd ditch one in a nanosecond if I could.

I doubt that very much. Have you ridden a Bosch equipped bike?

I agree a throttle is handy, but when you need to use it all of the time because the system doesn't behave in the way you would like it then imo, it becomes a faff. Those who want a pedelec that is like an ordinary bike, want it to behave in the same intuitive way a normal bike responds to the...

Like I said you're having to make a crude system work with an added complication. If you've not ridden a Bosch, or perhaps an Impulse and Panasonic you won't appreciate how well a good pedelec is, so won't quite realise what you're missing. That's not to dismiss those who prefer a bike with a...

What a complete faff having to use a throttle on a bicycle. They're poles apart. However I appreciate that some like the added complication required to try and match a much more sophisticated system with a crude set-up.

That'll be the Bosch then. Also look how easy it is to adjust the power level.

Torque sensor bikes like the Bosch are brilliant, the most like a normal bicycle, and always millisecond responses to what you do. I'm with you on the throttle opinion Geebee.

Is that the little disc with magnets fitted to a standard bottom bracket? in which case it is only a pedal speed sensor.

Do a lot of these bikes that claim to have a torque sensor actually only have a simple pedal sensor? or is that what they call a speed sensor?

To me in the first video it looks like It only needed a fraction more assist speed to win, perhaps it just boils down to a 1 mph or so difference ?

I think it's important to point out the true facts myself. If Col says the Oxygen was assisting to above 16 mph I believe him. So not only did the Oxygen have a high wattage motor, it also had a higher assist speed. Not worth spoiling the day as Col didn't on the day, but worth pointing out...

Kidd's Hill http://app.strava.com/segments/610650 Our Winnats http://app.strava.com/segments/612982 My best time on Winnats is 7.02 ;) Lee says he'll beat me one day. There must be plenty if you head west from your location I imagine.

Misleading given d8evh's comments below. Thanks for replying though.

Have you seen Eddie's review? http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/2014-ktm-e-cross-p-review.17969/

Thanks Dave, I had thought it was something like that. At least there's a bit less to think about with that hub, a dab of the brake, change ratio, and then wait for the power to kick in, still not ideal, but a step in the right direction.

Guessing he means, not going over the rated voltage.

The Oxygen looks quite nice, does anyone know the price? it isn't on their website, guessing it will be circa £1,600 ? going off the other bikes they sell.