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I can see how you may imagine that's what I mean, but it's not. I rather enjoy it when others disagree with me - but in an informed way that is at least in passing also empirical, about reality. It's the difference between someone saying "get with the programme we'll be fine" versus explaining...

i largely agree, but nauseating as that vision of what the dutch call a pantoffelregering (being governed by someone wielding a slipper) is, it is marginally less so than Geert (Wilders), Marien (le pen), Nige and Boris cooking up something terrible

oh no, this baby's still got loads of life left in it: in about 18 months (when the pound and zim dollar are in a scuffle for parity) we will still be bickering..

the odd thing - and i genuinely appreciate your post - is that, following brexit, i'm not sure i believe in democracy anymore. and i used to, fervently. i'm beginning to think either a relatively benign plutocracy, as we have in the UK outside referenda (with puppet mp's serving the interests of...

i'm still trying to work that out, saw thi sitem in teh news http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2016/07/04/foreign/pakistani-man-jailed-for-shouting-allahu-akbar-on-emirates-flight/ and thought there's an analogy for brexit - some (financial) turbulence waking up the deranged among us, who...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-launched-businesses-move-to-block-eu-exit-without-act-of-parliament-a7118186.html so brexit wont happen (fat chance of our corrupt MP's voting for it, who'd ever think they'd save us). It's a funny thing, courtesy of all this...

to me, the spirit and style of this post so captures my experience of brexit. I didn't know who the deputy prime minister was.id probably have been less surprised if it was the manager of a local bordello.

sure, i agree about the five candidates not bing intelligent or charismatic. i even agree with tony Blair saying that the tory leader selection disenfranchises teh 14 million who voted remain (were nt part of a key debate about our future). BUT what do you make of cameron simply dissapearing...

FWIW the Economist Intelligence Unit predicts a recession with the economy shrinking 1% next year (GDP will be 4% lower, unemployment sharply up, budget deficit back up to 5.5%) and OECD says Brexit will be a bigger hit to the economy than 2008 or any other post world war 2 crisis. It would take...

if I had to channel the (sometimes insincere) socialist and anti brexit part of my personality i'd be filled with glee by your post - the brexit movement is being split by a media carefully manipulating evidence (leadsom, whom I never liked, I think we need another thatcher like a hole in the...

yes, I find it hard to imagine any sensible voter in the eu is observing the haemhorrage that is brexit with anything other than growing apprehension/aversion of considering anything similar

I agree,also with what flec says about this thread being cathartic. one thing that's clear to me and obvious - I know many on the thread will disagree - is that the majority of voters were misled during the referendum by leave - in ways I think perhaps warrants legal prosecution given the damage...

I didn't vote out, I voted remain. Anyhieuw,as stewie Griffith's might say,it's all academic now

To a degree I guess I agree with the increased interest in politics. However, there is a difference between, say, taking an increased interest in ones health (perhaps taking up running) and blowing off ones head with a shotgun before running around like a headless chicken looking for an a&e

What we feel on this forum is not really significant. The 'getting on with it' isn't going to happen - out there in the real world where it matters. Theresa may,whom I loath,but who is a little ray of sunlight compared to Boris or gove, will likely become Tory leader. The economic crap that will...

And there I was thinking we were about to have an informed conversation. With all due respect, it's not how it works.

The weaker pound is due to the UK's overdrawn current account deficit (how much it earns from exporting goods and services). With the financial account (foreign investment into UK) it makes up the balance of payment. The previous stability of the pound was due to foreign investors funding the...

If you read my post you will note that I am also against an Australian based points,I.e. what you describe. We're not on the same hymnsheet, or in the same church,and I have a strong hunch were never going to be. So we're going to have to agree the differ. You won't do it but I'd suggest you...

but brexit was about anti-immigration.

frankly those who have been against immigration. and i include those in favour of points based immigration. i live in a reality in whcih one should give as well as take, so i'm in favour of allowing migrants who need/use resourses as much as those who contribute. One thing Ive taken from Brexit...