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yup, that's the only possible conclusion, I'm sincerely still hoping shemozzle will give us that missing enlightened justification for it all..

why continue condoning fraud?

ahem, just a bump, still waiting for that answer?

but you don't find any of us condoning it, or keith vaz's frolics; you see condoning farage,as you do, matters, a great deal - its the essence of populism, cult of personality politics, a bit like obtuse housewives in usa who allege all men talk about raping women in private, that it's perfectly...

a bit rich coming from a brexit sup[porter here. I refer you to post 6286, to the point evidence of smearing. actually it was a question (you note the "?"), based on fact (Nigel's undeclared offshore interests). I'm trying to establish what motivated voters, like you, to vote brexit. so far...

of course you don't.nudge.nudge.wink.wink. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/jun/21/nigel-farage-tax-haven-trust-fund-mistake I have a hunch you and shemozzle's fervent support for "Britain first" may have something to do with similar "self/isle of man" first interests?

So,representative democracy has become altogether populist cult of personality bs. The cherry on top is your between the lines admiration for "Nigel". Touching. A bit like me beginning to fondly talk about Jeremy instead of corbyn. Also completely naive. Are you completely unaware of " Nigel"s...

yeah know I "fully" see where you are coming form: that speech is so much more offensive than trump's about Mexicans, women, the disabled? the word double standards doesn't scratch the surface when it comes to a brexit or trump supporter pretending the eu commissioner's speech was offensive

yup, one difference is that I don't embrace it with quite the kind of enthusiasm trump or brexit supporters do. populist politicians and movements are kept to a much lower standard courtesy of supporters who, as you did a few posts back, are quite so willing to brush blatant lies under the...

am I really the only one here that's read Macbeth, hamlet? do you really think populist psychopaths who manipulate others and renege on promises wouldn't do the same to you? see the FTA go the same way as the wall as trump knows brexit uk isn't viable

in the spirit of being caring and concerned about the economy, the trade gap is widening, despite the lower pound.. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/09/uk-trade-deficit-widens-september-exports-fall-pound-drop

yikes so fat tyres are draggy? in my fantasies they were something like big apples. no such luck?

well, strictly FWIW (I have pretty weird, often bad taste), the part of me that used to commute all seasons in the UK likes it, lots. what I remember most from then is crashing through wet potholes on very narrow edges of B-road in darkness with lorries barrelling past me. a bike that would soak...

in a globalised interdependent world that isn't possible. the android phone in your pocket was made in a sweatshop in china, by exploited underpaid workers. the uk does not supply arms to the Saudis because it cares, it's about oil, and arms sales, neither of which is about to stop being issues...

well, yes. but I take an interest in exchange rates, house prices, inflation as someone who voted remain. in other words as someone who didn't engage in the destructive acting out that is brexit, and isn't responsible for it or its damage, as those who voted brexit are. by analogy: its a bit...

yes, intrinsically, morally I agree with what you and og say above re brexit and trump being about xenophobia, immigration (and a xenophobic world isn't really what I think any of us want to leave our children). extrinsically, I'm afraid (to state the obvious) the whole thing (brexit, trump...

in principle I have problems with capitalism and economic growth too, in practice I disagree with you - it (capitalism, globalisation) has raised the living standards of ordinary people, in the third world as well, stratospherically on average over the past 100 years (as reflected the rapid rise...

but (and I think it's a whopper of a but) Norway has a different economy from the uk http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Norway/United-Kingdom/Economy we provide services to the eu, and I don't believe the uk economy can restructure into a Nordic type economy

fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on one's perspective on the lies, or whether one sides with the liars) actions have consequences. and reality has a way of judging decisions by providing consequences. So there's the market and international investors withdrawing from the UK, prices going...

and more visas http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-offers-concessions-to-india-on-visas-after-row-on-trade-mission-a3389141.html in amore serious vein (than enjoying the sight of submarine may thoroughly dragging the scarps of integrity that's left through mud), I think this is a...