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hang on a mo, that is only the case in the past tense if they were hung by the neck. how do we know the Victorians and Edwardians didn't hang them by other extremities?

to you perhaps, to many others racial discrimination isn't.

yet more obfuscation

yup, let's be expedient, let's not let principle get in the way of anything. you're in good company, I think Neville chamberlain would approve.

here here http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/ but you knew this didn't you? but pretend not to. how very sincere.

OK, here you go http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11467713/No-dogs.-No-blacks.-No-Irish-is-now-Ukip-policy.html you know, I don't mind the racism so much as the obfuscation.

because he's a racist demagogue. why don't you?

oddly I am coming round to a UKIP perspective on this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/14/theresa-may-does-not-need-third-person-nigel-farage-in-trump-relationship-no-10 I think Theresa may needs a third person in the relationship with trump. I think the Tories need some division...

absolutely, I think not offending trump (or for that matter his chum Vladimir) should be the absolute corner stones of the UK's future foreign policy. And yes we should let unelected leaders of minority parties control foreign policy fro now on too.

I dream of a parallel world in which there is a daily mail that calls for Cyprus and spain to deport all the british criminals back to uk. now that would be a pogrom that would put anything recent from turkey/Syria to complete shame.

must admit that one threw me as well, much as I respect croxden's usual good taste, I was literally speechless for a few minutes. quite literally. but perhaps you sees something we cant?

so, just in the sprit of plumbing the ugly depths of brexit consciousness, is there a limit to what is perfectly understandable, rough and tumble. I mean, apart from expenses fraud, tax avoidance, racism and so on, would for example assisting Russia to bomb the women and children of Aleppo also...

as a matter of interest how is traction, wear, rolling resistance on non icy non snowy roads?

well, how about this as part of the agenda http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/13/exclusive-nigel-farage-reveals-donald-trumps-team-has-reservatio/ ? paradoxically I think its great: trying to hijack due democratic process, government in this way. if anything I think it raises the odds...

yet another point of view. for me classifying deliberate obfuscation as improving our arguments is a mistake. sometimes one has to call things what they are. rationalising Farage's corruption or trump's racism is not a step forward, in any possible sense.

well, that's your opinion. have a look at this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37965089 it's good, independent journalism. you may note that I am not telling you what you can or cannot say. I would add that referring to obfuscation (about the only thing tillson seems to do) as good arguing...

i disagree. I also, with respect, speak for myself, in the way that feels right for me. feel free to put a disagree or dislike next to my post. beyond that i'm afraid it's a matter of I wont tell you what to think or say and you wont tell me.

technically, yes, you are saying that fraud Is wrong (now that we have managed to make you do so). but, it all started with us presenting evidence of Farage's fraud, and your saying "everyone does it". that is dangerous. it's the same as overlooking his attempt to derail proper democratic...

no, the tacit refrain in your posts are "everyone else does it so it must be ok". no offence, but I'm sure that kind of rationalising started many things in history, including the holocaust

yup, let's take it all completely out fo context, let's try to distract everyone from the bigger picture, farage's xenophobia, trump's racism, may's headless chicken impersonating. let's pretend it wasn't as well documented on the bbc a deliberate coup...