Does anyone know the position of kits fitted to a bike? Does the bike still need to be certified to EN15194 to be road legal in the UK?
Will the end of full speed throttles in January 2016 cause a rush to buy.
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I can't see how a kit equipped bike can be certified as conforming to EN15194. Laboratory testing for EN15194 compliance is of the complete electric assist bike and clearly a private individual could not undertake that cost.
I think the whole position of kit bikes is currently unclear, apart from perhaps full throttle equipped kit bikes which will have to go through single vehicle approval to be treated as EAPCs by the DfT.
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They don't know what there doing.Does anyone know who is fighting are side? Is there a section on here for homebuilds?I would like to post my build but not sure where to post it.
I've tried this on a Kalkhoff. The motor is quite difficult to control at very low speed. My legs have a tendency to push harder than necessary to start the motor.
I'm surprised.
Bosch bikes - which I regard as broadly similar to Kalkhoff's Impulse - are no bother at all at low speeds.
Slow progress is smoothest at the two lower assist levels.
Hi I'm new here but have been lingering around for awhile. (Some would say 'loitering'!)
I am probably going to get a Woosh Santana CD, with hubby getting a Sport CD in Spring 2016. So this thread was of interest as they are both throttle bikes.
Members may want to know that I emailed Woosh a couple of weeks ago, raising the question of whether the law changes will impede on them selling their throttle bikes from January on. It was Tony there who responded, and I have pasted his reply below:
"The throttle, if fitted on present stock, will remain but after January the first, we will have to disconnect the throttle before sending out the bike.
You reconnect the throttle at your own risk."
I was pleased to receive this response and will be arranging a test ride of the two bikes at Cambridge in a few months time.
I am probably going to get a Woosh Santana CD, with hubby getting a Sport CD in Spring 2016. So this thread was of interest as they are both throttle bikes.
Members may want to know that I emailed Woosh a couple of weeks ago, raising the question of whether the law changes will impede on them selling their throttle bikes from January on. It was Tony there who responded, and I have pasted his reply below:
"The throttle, if fitted on present stock, will remain but after January the first, we will have to disconnect the throttle before sending out the bike.
You reconnect the throttle at your own risk."
I was pleased to receive this response and will be arranging a test ride of the two bikes at Cambridge in a few months time.
The TS is not a throttle, it doesn't work anything like a throttle. The TS requires you to do a lot of work for it to give you full power. Get on your bike and turn the pedals with no power in your legs, will the bike give full power?
A throttle on a bike will give as much or as little power as you want with no effort other than a twist of your wrist.
If you stick on the required label and write up and sign a certificate of conformity with yourself as the constructor you fall under EN15194.
1. the bike must already comply to current bicycle norm and have the manufacturers markings to that effect
2. The motor must be marked CE and the battery must be to EU norms, get all the paperwork you can from the Chinese manufacturer, they often have PDFs on their web sites
3. You as the builder engage your responsibility that all these norms are respected in the final product you have assembled and sign off on it
Then if the xxxx hits the fan you should have a fair go of defending yourself in court.
Of course it is not like a hand throttle but it is still a throttle. No it won’t give full power by just turning the cranks, and it it did it would be a switch not a throttle. But you can regulate the power by pedalling harder or softer, so it can act as a throttle. To get full power and go uphill fast you do have to pedal hard, which is what I and many others like about it. But it will give enough power to go up steep hills slowly by just turning the cranks with little effort in a low gear if you have run out of puff on a long steep hill.
It’s often said by some people that TS bikes don’t work at all if you get tired. But mine does, and it’s programmed to give enough power to get you places with little effort if you don’t want to, or can’t put the effort in.
But anyway as I said I am not against bikes being fitted with throttles. I just don’t want one and they are unnecessary with a TS bike.
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The keyword is "Unfortunately" the journalist didn't come to the logical conclusion you and I came to sounded surprised that normal bike sales were down. I didn't express myself clearly enough, sorry
Just had a good play on a bosch bike and I'll happily take on the challenge with the power on. I'll post a video Monday, of me riding around the office
The Gov.UK web site has been updated.It says EAPCs can be 2wheeled bicycles,tandems or tricycles.no mention of unicycles or quads.I thought quads could be EAPCs.No mention of the old weight limits.And no mention of fitting a petrol generator that only charges the spare battery's.
Yes, quad bikes are now allowed by the amendments of the 6th April 2015 to the 1983 EAPC regulations. They naturally wouldn't mention something as obscure as generation while in motion since it's not part of a pedelec, but there are at least two laws that can make that illegal.
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They only mention of accumulators (so they know what they are )is on legislation.com.road traffic act 1988 section 185.
There's a law against manufacturing on the public highway and this can include the making of electricity. Long ago when the first readymix concrete trucks appeared they fell foul of this law and a special provision had to be made for them.
But more aposite today are the anti-pollution laws, vehicles having to conform to them. I'm also unaware of anything in motor vehicle law that says an ic engine has to be the propulsion engine, so the implication is that such a vehicle travelling with an ic engine running could be considered a motor vehicle.
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If manufacturing electric on board is illegal every motor vehicle is illeagal.they all have electric power plants on board.Will hydrogen fuel cells be banned under this law.can't find anything about it.(still searching.)it may be considered a motor vehicle. But I don't think it is. That is the reason I'am asking.the law of the land is it is up to you to find out the law.Can anyone direct me to these laws.Who do I ask a policeman (I don't think they know all the laws of the land).A lawyer (can't afford that) take out a patent (can't afford that and don't want to sell the thing just build it stick two fingers up to the man for not letting me have a throttle on any ebikes I have in the future.)
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