Will the end of full speed throttles in January 2016 cause a rush to buy.

[Alan Quay]

If manufacturing electric on board is illegal every motor vehicle is illeagal.they all have electric power plants on board.Will hydrogen fuel cells be banned under this law.can't find anything about it.(still searching.)it may be considered a motor vehicle. But I don't think it is. That is the reason I'am asking.the law of the land is it is up to you to find out the law.Can anyone direct me to these laws.Who do I ask a policeman (I don't think they know all the laws of the land).A lawyer (can't afford that) take out a patent (can't afford that and don't want to sell the thing just build it stick two fingers up to the man for not letting me have a throttle on any ebikes I have in the future.)

There a nothing wrong with manufacturing, just that it's then a motor vehicle, not an EAPC.

 

[craiggor]

Still looking for the law.

 

[flecc]

it may be considered a motor vehicle. But I don't think it is.

It is and there is an example. The Chevrolet Volt, also known as the Vauxhall Ampera is General Motor's electric car. It's range is around 80 miles, but when the battery runs down there is an auxilliary 2 litre engine that cuts in to both charge the battery and supply the car's electric motor.

Logically it's just an electric car since only the electric motor drives it, but the authorities say no, and here's how. Electric cars are automatically exempt the London Congestion Charge, but the Volt/Ampera are not, they are included with other ic engined cars for consideration under the level of emissions. Because they are below the 75 g/km emission level they do get exemption, but only as a low emission ic car, not as an electric car.

It follows that using a petrol motor while in motion to charge a battery that can be used to drive an e-bike makes it a motor vehicle for this reason alone.
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[flecc]

If manufacturing electric on board is illegal every motor vehicle is illeagal.they all have electric power plants on board.Will hydrogen fuel cells be banned under this law.can't find anything about it.

That on-board generation is an intrinsic part of running the vehicle. Charging a spare battery is not, you could use it for any other purpose afterwards.

But more importantly as I and Alan Quay have said, it becomes a motor vehicle. It's best to never judge on the basis of what's sensible, the law is truly very often an ass.
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[craiggor]

A Chevy volt is not a EAPC.My system will not supply power to the motor,only charge the spare batteries.the volt is not a electric car because its ic motor can power the motor direct.

 

[craiggor]

The law may well be an ass but can any one direct me to it.

 

[flecc]

A Chevy volt is not a EAPC.My system will not supply power to the motor,only charge the spare batteries.the volt is not a electric car because its ic motor can power the motor direct.

I've directed you to one law but you are missing the point of my post, I was speaking of emissions law and you would fall foul of that since you would be emitting the pollutants while in motion. And where in law is there anything that says the ic engine has to drive the car? Nowhere as far as I know, just travelling with one running is enough.
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[craiggor]

if you could point me towards these laws.I would be very greatfull.surely any generator sold in this country would already meet any standards.machanically propelled is the wording but electric vehicles have been exempted from this unless the ic powers the motor direct.

 

[flecc]

if you could point me towards these laws.I would be very greatfull.surely any generator sold in this country would already meet any standards.machanically propelled is the wording but electric vehicles have been exempted from this unless the ic powers the motor direct.

While I know e-bike law very thoroughly, I don't have any source for these roads pollution laws. I only know what the authorities have ruled, as in that London case. There are of course both UK and EU mandatory roads anti-pollution laws that apply everywhere, not just London.
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[flecc]

surely any generator sold in this country would already meet any standards.machanically propelled is the wording

Of course they are sold as static generators and normally only used that way. There are no anti-pollution laws for stationary engines.
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[craiggor]

While I know e-bike law very thoroughly, I don't have any source for these roads pollution laws. I only know what the authorities have ruled, as in that London case. There are of course both UK and EU mandatory anti-pollution laws that apply everywhere, not just London.
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As I say if I was to do this I would like to know the law.I do not wish to be a test case.Just find out the law.look at segways all that development cost and then no there illegal.I think my next project will be a bomber style(Is there a name for the ebikes that use the whole frame as a battery box) I will make it fully road legal flood the market and know one will know witch are 250w and witch are not.I suppose its already like that.

 

[craiggor]

Of course they are sold as static generators and normally only used that way. There are no anti-pollution laws for stationary engines.
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They have to pass some I think.

 

[craiggor]

As I say if I was to do this I would like to know the law.I do not wish to be a test case.Just find out the law.look at segways all that development cost and then no there illegal.I think my next project will be a bomber style(Is there a name for the ebikes that use the whole frame) I will make it fully road legal flood the market and know one will know witch are 250w and witch are not.I suppose its already like that.

Monocoque is the word.or something like this with pedels.

 

[flecc]

Monocoque is the word.or something like this with pedels.

Looks like he's nicked someone's crane jib!
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[Alan Quay]

Monocoque is the word.or something like this with pedels.

Haha, great pic! You're right, I've only ever known it as 'Slealth Bomber' style. While I admire it and would love to build something similar, I think its anything but stealth.

 

[craiggor]

Haha, great pic! You're right, I've only ever known it as 'Slealth Bomber' style. While I admire it and would love to build something similar, I think its anything but stealth.

Have you seen the Russian ones they look a bit lighter.Don't need to be stealth if it's 250w.

 

[flecc]

As I say if I was to do this I would like to know the law.I do not wish to be a test case.

Judging from previous examples, I think a test case is what it would have to come down to, since the DfT refuses to rule on these complex issues and usually say it's for a court to rule.

Then it would be for the court to decide whether that charging was illegal because it was intended to drive the vehicle at some time, or whether the time interval between charging and driving made it legal. If they ruled the former, it have to be registered as a motor vehicle and would require emissions checks at the time of MOTs.
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[craiggor]

Haha, great pic! You're right, I've only ever known it as 'Slealth Bomber' style. While I admire it and would love to build something similar, I think its anything but stealth.

Something like this body could be even smaller for low powered version.do away with big controller.

 

[Alan Quay]

Have you seen the Russian ones they look a bit lighter.Don't need to be stealth if it's 250w.

No, not seen the Russian one.

If I built a stealth bomber type bike I'd be going for 2kW. As many other posters on here, I am the owner of an extensive private estate ;-)

 

[craiggor]

Judging from previous examples, I think a test case is what it would have to come down to, since the DfT refuses to rule on these complex issues and usually say it's for a court to rule.

Then it would be for the court to decide whether that charging was illegal because it was intended to drive the vehicle at some time, or whether the time interval between charging and driving made it legal. If they ruled the former, it have to be registered as a motor vehicle and would require emissions checks at the time of MOTs.
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This was what I thought would be the case.Is there nowhere you can find out where something is illegal. it would have to go up before the CP's ( is that what its called ) I wonder if they can they tell me.I don't think a patent would help.I think they would take your money with one hand and lock you up with another.