May 26, 20205 yr Who is liable for Exceeding (electrically assisted) 15.5 mph on an e Bike? Bosche / Shimano, etc...? Bicycle manufacturer ? Bicycle Shop / Online vendor? Customer ? Owner ? Rider ?
May 26, 20205 yr Rider. The same as if you were driving a car with a bald tyre for example, the person who is driving is responsible and that person may not be the owner, so as the bike is classed as illegal the person riding would be responsible as they would have no insurance/mot etc.
May 26, 20205 yr I am new to all this but surely its the rider? You are allowed more than the standard 15mph 250w limit off road etc, so kit manufacturers/sellers etc, selling kits that can do this can sell the motors rated at more than 250 w on the assumption that the buyer knows the law and will stick to it? Only my thoughts on it. Regards Rob.
May 26, 20205 yr I'd say the person in control of it, and riding it where they are, or are not, legally entitled to. But that's a very simplistic view. Gaz
May 26, 20205 yr rider, owner one of the biggest haibike dealers sells and fits dongles to bosch bikes ect so you know what you are doing same as speeding in a car.
May 26, 20205 yr Author If it's the Rider (Which I agree) / Owner, then how can the motor manufacturer shut the motor down, with its software, if the bike exceeds 15.5 mph ?????? The Rider / Owner could say: off road use, let me loose! I am lost...
May 26, 20205 yr The law is quite clear, it's the rider only. There is no law against selling any vehicle illegal on the roads, the liability is always with users. .
May 26, 20205 yr The Rider / Owner could say: off road use, let me loose! I am lost... Not so, caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). It's the buyers responsibility to obtain what they want. A manufacturer or supplier only have any liability if they make a false claim. In another example pavement mobility vehicles have designed in speed limits, 4mph maximum for pavement use and 8mph maximum for road use. .
May 26, 20205 yr bosch motors will need a dongle to remove the 15mph speed limit where as a kit can remove the speed limit and also up the amps for more top speed. most kit displays can be unlocked with a simple code like 1234. and be classed as a off road switch.
May 26, 20205 yr The Rider / Owner could say: off road use, let me loose! Almost all off-road use is also illegal with the possibility of >15.5mph assist.
May 26, 20205 yr Author Almost all off-road use is also illegal with the possibility of >15.5mph assist. Allmost all?
May 26, 20205 yr Author Not so, caveat emptor (let the buyer beware). It's the buyers responsibility to obtain what they want. A manufacturer or supplier only have any liability if they make a false claim. In another example pavement mobility vehicles have designed in speed limits, 4mph maximum for pavement use and 8mph maximum for road use. . So what happens if the owner of the mobility scooter frigs the mobiliy scooter to do 8 mph anywhere. Who chooses it does what, when? It must be the rider??? .
May 26, 20205 yr that can go 91mph ill be rolling round tesco on one of those bad boys no speed limit last time i looked pmsl
May 26, 20205 yr So what happens if the owner of the mobility scooter frigs the mobiliy scooter to do 8 mph anywhere. Who chooses it does what, when? It must be the rider??? Yes of course, the offence is of exceeding the maximum permitted speed if caught doing it, meaning a fine and the magistrates could order the confiscation and destruction of the vehicle, though that is rare. .
May 26, 20205 yr If it's the Rider (Which I agree) / Owner, then how can the motor manufacturer shut the motor down, with its software, if the bike exceeds 15.5 mph ?????? The Rider / Owner could say: off road use, let me loose! I am lost... If they didnt the bike would not be a pedelec any more it would be a low powered moped to stay a bicycle it has to have its assistance limited to the 15.5mph which you can of course pedal above under your own power . As a rider thou you do have the option to buy a moped and tax , insure and have a license to run it so you have that option If not i really dont get where your coming from with this post . Have a good evening
May 26, 20205 yr I don't think you have to worry about ebike over the 15.5mph limit as the accuracy may be out , a leeway of 10% + 2mph is often used by law enforcement/mobile speed cameras though isn't universal across the country.
May 27, 20205 yr Who is liable for Exceeding (electrically assisted) 15.5 mph on an e Bike? No one, as it is perfectly legal to exceed that as long as its leg power doing the work. Nobody is going to be targeted by a radar device, however, if you are involved in an accident etc. expect a close examination of the cycle and if it is found to be illegal, be open to charges for being in control of an unlicenced, untaxed and un-insured vehicle.
May 27, 20205 yr No one, as it is perfectly legal to exceed that as long as its leg power doing the work. Read the question properly it says exceeding with electrical assist above 15.5mph.
May 27, 20205 yr E-bike cyclist cleared of killing Hackney pedestrian https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51707616
May 27, 20205 yr If it's the Rider (Which I agree) / Owner, then how can the motor manufacturer shut the motor down, with its software, if the bike exceeds 15.5 mph ?????? The Rider / Owner could say: off road use, let me loose! I am lost... It is the rider that gets the sharp end of the stick, as you say but in order for you to understand more, if I am remembering correctly, it was very simple for someone to derestrict the speed limit on the bike and so pressure was put on at least Bosch to make it harder for this to happen. Hence the restrictive software. Whether this applies to other makes of bike motor I don't know. Someone will always find a workaround but then you will always suffer the legal consequences if caught. If you live in a country that has no restrictions then I'm not sure what your options are regarding purchasing unrestricted mainstream models.
May 28, 20205 yr Anyone owning a de-restricted bike, and who is riding well above the 25KMH allowed, will be picked out easily by the eyes of the law. To be safe, the rider must say within the legal speed limits, so what has he gained from his de-restricted bike's performance? Basically nothing! And at any point, the police can STILL require full testing, eve if he is NOT riding too fast! I fail to understand the points of view shared by riders with an illegally tuned bike.....Unless of course it is fully registered, insured and road tax paid..... And, Heaven forbid, he/she is involved in an accident, where another member of the public gets injured, even if they have insurance (I do, just in case I accidentally scratch a car or anything happens), the insurance could turn up their nose at paying out, if the bike is found to be illegal.... I am unsure of the way an insurance company might react in such circumstances..... End of the story is, why take the chance? I forget where it was but a few years ago, someone lost his house due to him having an accident on his e-bike, with a lady that was looking at her phone while crossing the road......This may have been the accident, he had to pay the court costs as he lost the case - DUUHHH!:- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cyclist-knock-over-woman-phone-compensation-court-london-a8969731.html I also found this, which left me unclear:- https://www.coya.com/private-liability-insurance/damage-coverage-bicycle Suffice to say, a liability insurance is really for ANY bike rider a damn good idea, and is not expensive! Anyone here who rides uninsured??? Regards Andy
May 28, 20205 yr I forget where it was but a few years ago, someone lost his house due to him having an accident on his e-bike, with a lady that was looking at her phone while crossing the road......This may have been the accident, he had to pay the court costs as he lost the case - DUUHHH!:- https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cyclist-knock-over-woman-phone-compensation-court-london-a8969731.html I also found this, which left me unclear:- https://www.coya.com/private-liability-insurance/damage-coverage-bicycle Andy The final outcome was far from the story in the independent, the guy I believe counter sued and it go a bit silly and both were found 50% culpable. In the end he did have to cough up money but don't think he lost his house, a funding page was set up and believe this paid for his share of the bill. The woman for her troubles got about 5k out of the claim.
May 28, 20205 yr The final outcome was far from the story in the independent, the guy I believe counter sued and it go a bit silly and both were found 50% culpable. In the end he did have to cough up money but don't think he lost his house, a funding page was set up and believe this paid for his share of the bill. The woman for her troubles got about 5k out of the claim. The final outcome was far from the story in the independent, the guy I believe counter sued and it go a bit silly and both were found 50% culpable. In the end he did have to cough up money but don't think he lost his house, a funding page was set up and believe this paid for his share of the bill. The woman for her troubles got about 5k out of the claim. Can you find that out for certain, I was unable to confirm that at all... Even then it still sounds horrifically expensive to me.... regards Andy
May 28, 20205 yr it would cost £36 a month to insure my bike and with every option added comes to £53 a month. so dont crash in to me pmsl
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