Too many options in my mind, but... any good?

[Frankie24]

Anyone could give me their opinion about which one is better between this 3?
Sirocco2vss kudos duke vs indigo regency

 

[Deleted member 4366]

About the batteries. Thanks for the answer. I understood that is more or less same. 15ah double of distance so maybe double of life on that battery, the other one it last longer but I would use it for less distance. Am I right?

Yes, but you'll probably e buying a new bike long before the battery wears out.

 

[trex]

it's true. Even when you have a perfectly useable bike, somehow membership of this forum makes you spend more than you planned.

 

[Frankie24]

Hello one more time Lads ( you must be getting bored because of me hahaha)
First of all thanks to everyone for your answers, opinions and of course help.
I did some research and the kudos duke is not for me ( too heavy, better for taller riders and some more things..)
The kudos sport is gone from the website and I can't find it anymore(this is because probably is gone and they want to sell the cobra which is 185 more expensive)
I was looking at all the replies on this post again to see all the bikes again.
I saw it again the Vita uno26 from londonelectricbike and looks ok but I didn't see any review about it.
I started thinking about woosh bikes, I like every day more the idea of the sirocco2, however I read some things on the internet to compare the torque and the throttle and I don't really know what would suit me more.
I know most of you told me to get the sirocco2 for commuting(even Hatti) but in one way I like the idea that I have to pedal all the time to ride the bike(it would be more like a normal bike and is little bit lighter) however I am not sure how is going to work if I have a tired legs..
Sirocco2 has a 15ah battery against the 9ah in the sport, however and because they work in a different way, Could I say that the battery power and capacity would be more or less the same?
It is true I will use mostly to go work but I wouldn't mind to use for leisure.
Now, If I don't mind about how the bikes looks, if has mudguards or not,etc..
What do you think would be better?
Thanks again.
From: Frankie the Lost hahaha

 

[Deleted member 4366]

The Sirocco 2 has a throttle. What's the problem?

 

[Frankie24]

The Sirocco 2 has a throttle. What's the problem?

Is not a problem at all. I'm just asking to know which one is better if sometimes you want to use as a normal bike or if you always use the pedals( which probably will be my case)
If they make both ways is because both are good for different things. Could anyone explain me that?
Thanks

 

[Frankie24]

Like for example:
Is any bigdifference in the quality? Which could last longer? Is the torque harder to maintain?
Which one could be faster? With same battery which would bring you farther? Thanks

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Whether you use the pedal sensor or the throttle makes no difference. It's just a way to tell the controller how fast you want to go.You can choose any speed with the throttle, while as the pedal sensor gives the same speed range, but divided into five or three fixed steps, like a sort of cruise control. The controller has its own algorithms to decide how much power to give based on the difference between your actual speed and the target speed (from throttle or pedal sensor)

 

[Frankie24]

Whether you use the pedal sensor or the throttle makes no difference. It's just a way to tell the controller how fast you want to go.You can choose any speed with the throttle, while as the pedal sensor gives the same speed range, but divided into five or three fixed steps, like a sort of cruise control. The controller has its own algorithms to decide how much power to give based on the difference between your actual speed and the target speed (from throttle or pedal sensor)

Lovely answer mate so if I understood right with the torque I say that I want to go at 15mph and my real speed is 10mph so the motor start working to bring me up to those 15mph. Am I right?

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Yes, you're right. These controllers are speed controllers. The position of the throttle tells the controller the speed to aim for. It's not at all like a motorbike.

You can get controllers that work with current control, so that the position of the throttle tells the controller how much power to give. They work better with torque sensors. Many European manufactured bikes work like that so thet multiply the torque that you apply to the pedals. That sort of system is rare on chinese controllers, but you can get them. The S series controllers from BMSBattery can work in both modes.

 

[Frankie24]

Yes, you're right. These controllers are speed controllers. The position of the throttle tells the controller the speed to aim for. It's not at all like a motorbike.

You can get controllers that work with current control, so that the position of the throttle tells the controller how much power to give. They work better with torque sensors. Many European manufactured bikes work like that so thet multiply the torque that you apply to the pedals. That sort of system is rare on chinese controllers, but you can get them. The S series controllers from BMSBattery can work in both modes.

Any review about the sirocco sport torque?
Why everyone find very important for commuting the rack and the way the bikes look? Last thing I've been thinking about. What kind of battery is better? Under the seat on the back, bottle type ?
Thanks

 

[trex]

d8veh did mention the Sport TS in a couple of posts.
what kind of battery is better? if you refer to the position, the bottle contributes to better handling of the bike, giving it a lower center of gravity, while the rear rack battery gives it stealth, helps disguising the electric assistance, especially if you have a panier over it. The Sirocco 2 has the battery behind the seat post, possibly the best compromise between stealth and balance.
A sport bike is always a pleasure to ride but a bigger battery is always worth its money when climbing long hills. For commuting, the Sirocco 2 is solid.
However, you should not rely on logic alone to choose a bike, you could end up hating your own decision later.

 

[jackhandy]

Not sure if this is part of what you're asking, but...

I find the pedal sensor ideal for riding reasonably long distances on road or trails, where holding a throttle steady becomes a chore:

Where the throttle comes into it's own is off-road, when negotiating tricky, low-speed sections, particularly the chicanes on bike trails, designed to slow bikes down, and manoeuvering in slow traffic.

 

[Cyclezee]

Not sure if this is part of what you're asking, but...

I find the pedal sensor ideal for riding reasonably long distances on road or trails, where holding a throttle steady becomes a chore:

Where the throttle comes into it's own is off-road, when negotiating tricky, low-speed sections, particularly the chicanes on bike trails, designed to slow bikes down, and manoeuvering in slow traffic.

Exactomundo JH, or what ever it is they say in Jamaica Inn

 

[Frankie24]

Not sure if this is part of what you're asking, but...

I find the pedal sensor ideal for riding reasonably long distances on road or trails, where holding a throttle steady becomes a chore:

Where the throttle comes into it's own is off-road, when negotiating tricky, low-speed sections, particularly the chicanes on bike trails, designed to slow bikes down, and manoeuvering in slow traffic.

Ok, so. With torque is better on roads and throttle out roads, what about hills? Which one is better? You said that with torque I could do long distances however the battery is 9ah against 15ah in the throttle model, with that differenceI think I could do longer distances with the second one, am I right?

 

[flecc]

Ok, so. With torque is better on roads and throttle out roads, what about hills? Which one is better?

I like torque sensors for climbing, pedal input will be high then so a torque sensor is easily able to deliver the power needed.

You said that with torque I could do long distances however the battery is 9ah against 15ah in the throttle model, with that differenceI think I could do longer distances with the second one, am I right?

I think Jackhandy meant a torque sensor is best for distance mainly because it's more restful than holding a throttle open for a long time. I don't think there will be a long range advantage with a torque sensor, except possibly when almost all the journey is flat, so with lower pedal pressures.

 

[trex]

torque sensor is great until you hit 100% - that's equivalent to full throttle.
It's usuall sensibly tuned for the average riders (like me), but it hits 100% too easily for the strong riders, you are then left with using the LCD as second throttle. Maybe there will be a way to tune the response to your own pedalling strength in the future.

 

[Frankie24]

I like torque sensors for climbing, pedal input will be high then so a torque sensor is easily able to deliver the power needed.



I think Jackhandy meant a torque sensor is best for distance mainly because it's more restful than holding a throttle open for a long time. I don't think there will be a long range advantage with a torque sensor, except possibly when almost all the journey is flat, so with lower pedal pressures.

Coming back to the batteries, what is better for a 15miles journey?
I've read that is good when you charge the battery more times than just 1 or. 2 a week. Is that true?
If I get 36v and 15ah I will charge every 3 days or so, if I get the 36v 9ah every day maximum2 days. Is any better or they just mean that is better charge the battery very often than every month for example?
Cheers
I'm learning lot of things about it with all your answers

 

[flecc]

Don't think of a larger battery as an opportunity to charge less often, lithium batteries are cyclic, that means they like to be constantly used and recharged. Always emptying them before charging just shortens their life.

The reasons to have a larger capacity battery are mainly longer range, followed by the additional small benefits of slightly better performance and slightly longer life.

So whatever your battery size, even if you've only used a quarter or a third of the charge, recharge it. That way, when setting out you'll always have the optimum performance and longest available range.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Hello one more time Lads ( you must be getting bored because of me hahaha)
First of all thanks to everyone for your answers, opinions and of course help.
I did some research and the kudos duke is not for me ( too heavy, better for taller riders and some more things..)
The kudos sport is gone from the website and I can't find it anymore(this is because probably is gone and they want to sell the cobra which is 185 more expensive)
I was looking at all the replies on this post again to see all the bikes again.
I saw it again the Vita uno26 from londonelectricbike and looks ok but I didn't see any review about it.
I started thinking about woosh bikes, I like every day more the idea of the sirocco2, however I read some things on the internet to compare the torque and the throttle and I don't really know what would suit me more.
I know most of you told me to get the sirocco2 for commuting(even Hatti) but in one way I like the idea that I have to pedal all the time to ride the bike(it would be more like a normal bike and is little bit lighter) however I am not sure how is going to work if I have a tired legs..
Sirocco2 has a 15ah battery against the 9ah in the sport, however and because they work in a different way, Could I say that the battery power and capacity would be more or less the same?
It is true I will use mostly to go work but I wouldn't mind to use for leisure.
Now, If I don't mind about how the bikes looks, if has mudguards or not,etc..
What do you think would be better?
Thanks again.
From: Frankie the Lost hahaha

Frankie....the Kudos Sport was deleted because the manufacturers of that bike no longer exists. The Vita Uno 26 is a lighter,faster,better balanced bike than the Sport. At £695 it must be the best value currently around,there are many customers riding them,LEBC are half way through the first batch of 70 bikes.
Time to test ride a few bikes,no matter what the on paper specification the proof is riding biked. The Duke is too big for you,it's a bike for a 6 ft plus guy.
Kudosdave