Too many criminals on our roads

indalo

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Watched the programme and I shall continue to try and abide by the laws. It would be nice if others did the same but I have witnessed a total disregard for the law among quite a few cyclists rather close to these pages so I don't hope for too much.

Indalo
 

morphix

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Watched the programme and I shall continue to try and abide by the laws. It would be nice if others did the same but I have witnessed a total disregard for the law among quite a few cyclists rather close to these pages so I don't hope for too much.

Indalo
I will abide too. I'd be crushed if my new mezzo got taken and mashed up by the bill.
 

jerrysimon

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I have long since given up on requiring people to behave as I behave or think how I think.

Its a pointless desire.


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Scimitar

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Never mind the criminals, did you see the size of that backside at 53 mins, the one on the cyclepath? I'm fully in sympathy with the hapless cyclist there, he could hardly miss that, it filled the screen like a barrage balloon.
 

103Alex1

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Never mind the criminals, did you see the size of that backside at 53 mins, the one on the cyclepath? I'm fully in sympathy with the hapless cyclist there, he could hardly miss that, it filled the screen like a barrage balloon.
Lol..... not everyone is blessed with svelte proportionality... and at least the bearer :)eek: - thank heavens not !) was out walking so credit where credit is due ;)
 

amigafan2003

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Beware that most of that "user generated footage" was actually professionally created for a courier race through London - not exactly representative of the general cycling population.

BBC1's War on Britain's Roads doc may breach BBC editorial guidelines | Bicycle Business | BikeBiz

Thanks BBC - for making cyclists look a bunch of morons :mad:

Oh, and fwiw, if that little dig in your post was aimed in my direction - I adhere 100% to the highway code when using my bike - correct lane position, stopping at red lights, zebra crossings etc. With the exception of the obvious, I'm totally law abiding :cool:
 
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jazper53

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Beware that most of that "user generated footage" was actually professionally created for a courier race through London - not exactly representative of the general cycling population.

BBC1's War on Britain's Roads doc may breach BBC editorial guidelines | Bicycle Business | BikeBiz

Thanks BBC - for making cyclists look a bunch of morons :mad:

Oh, and fwiw, if that little dig in your post was aimed in my direction - I adhere 100% to the highway code when using my bike - correct lane position, stopping at red lights, zebra crossings etc. With the exception of the obvious, I'm totally law abiding :cool:
I thought the programme was balanced between cyclist, and motorist. There are a lot of cyclist that do act like morons on our roads, I see them every day, which does give a bad name to those cyclist that are law abiding, and try to promote responsible road craft. My conclusion is that the fault lies with the individual offender, whatever they drive or ride.
 
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eddieo

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It was a shocking program....a bit hyped, bot not good for my blood pressure! But cars nudging cyclists of the road was the prevailing insight..and that being: cyclists are contemptiable and you have every right to nudge them of he road in your 2 tons of steel........as the cab driver shouted "you should not be on the f'ing road!!" Have had bus drivers and cab driver that sideswiped me (changing lane without looking) shout similar anglo saxon invective. The way they look at you with real hate is astonishing to be honeset. its as if everything wrong in their life for those split seconds is your fault, really wondering if its worth the risk in town...

One thing I never do is go up the inside of lorrys etc....I wait, as this is the point where many get killed, as for the cycopaths well they deserve all they get, but people out for thrills is nothing new.

60 next week, maybe should give up London cycling as it is not pleasant. Get my freedom pass, travel by bus reading my kindle and save cycling for holidays/

Ah! what the hell! just going out on wife new bike!:p

EDIT: freedom pass @ 60 covers trains, buses tube, trams etc..within London. have to apply for it.

60+ London | Transport for London
 
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the_killjoy

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can you use an ordinary OAP bus pass, from outside London, on tubes and / or trains within London /
 

eddieo

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can you use an ordinary OAP bus pass, from outside London, on tubes and / or trains within London /
its all explained in link above, but it is for travel within London with some train company's cooperating that extends it a little. This is not an OAP scheme though is it? as its from 60. so I dont know th answer to your question, but you have to apply for a photo oyster card and admin cost is £10
 

indalo

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can you use an ordinary OAP bus pass, from outside London, on tubes and / or trains within London /
That's a negative, I'm afraid Killjoy. Bus passes generated outside of the Greater London area only avail the user of bus services inside the capital. Residents get to use all forms of transport as Eddie stated including the DLR. It doesn't cover river craft, cabs or rickshaws however.

The London freedom pass is accepted as a bus pass all over the UK though, same as all others.


Indalo
 

morphix

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I thought the programme was balanced between cyclist, and motorist. There are a lot of cyclist that do act like morons on our roads, I see them every day, which does give a bad name to those cyclist that are law abiding, and try to promote responsible road craft. My conclusion is that the fault lies with the individual offender, whatever they drive or ride.
It's true, but programs like this have to be careful I think they can create public perceptions of cycling as a dangerous thing or that all cyclists are not safe on roads etc..as others have said, vast majority are experienced and sensible cyclists..only a few give the rest a bad name..which the TV shows like this seem to like showing. I haven't watched this doc myself (don't watch TV as a rule) so dunno if that's the case..
 

morphix

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It was a shocking program....a bit hyped, bot not good for my blood pressure! But cars nudging cyclists of the road was the prevailing insight..and that being: cyclists are contemptiable and you have every right to nudge them of he road in your 2 tons of steel........as the cab driver shouted "you should not be on the f'ing road!!" Have had bus drivers and cab driver that sideswiped me (changing lane without looking) shout similar anglo saxon invective. The way they look at you with real hate is astonishing to be honeset. its as if everything wrong in their life for those split seconds is your fault, really wondering if its worth the risk in town...

One thing I never do is go up the inside of lorrys etc....I wait, as this is the point where many get killed, as for the cycopaths well they deserve all they get, but people out for thrills is nothing new.

60 next week, maybe should give up London cycling as it is not pleasant. Get my freedom pass, travel by bus reading my kindle and save cycling for holidays/

Ah! what the hell! just going out on wife new bike!:p

EDIT: freedom pass @ 60 covers trains, buses tube, trams etc..within London. have to apply for it.

60+ London | Transport for London
I'm thankful I don't live in London or any big urban area and where I live is mostly rural.. even in my small town though whenever I go on the busier roads I sometimes encounter hostility and impatient drivers. I think it's just a fact of life wherever you live, people can be unpleasant on the roads.. I think in London etc though it must be very stressful (not to mention dangerous) for some cyclists.. good reason then to have a camera, record your rides and any road rage incidents/dangerous driving and clock number plates. Maybe some people need to learn the hard way how to behave properly to cyclists and fellow road users eh.
 

Old_Dave

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The London freedom pass is accepted as a bus pass all over the UK though, same as all others.
But not valid in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland though.. lol
 

jazper53

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It's true, but programs like this have to be careful I think they can create public perceptions of cycling as a dangerous thing or that all cyclists are not safe on roads etc..as others have said, vast majority are experienced and sensible cyclists..only a few give the rest a bad name..which the TV shows like this seem to like showing. I haven't watched this doc myself (don't watch TV as a rule) so dunno if that's the case..
" only a few give the rest a bad name."
My perception is the opposite, the majority of cyclist I come across seem to have a cavalier attitude to the interpretation of the highway code, from minor infractions to downright dangerous behaviour
 

indalo

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But not valid in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland though.. lol
Yes, I'm grateful for that clarification Dave. I understand though that it's discretionary for bus companies in those parts of the country but I can't say I've tried using it outside England.

Indalo
 

eddieo

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I'm thankful I don't live in London or any big urban area and where I live is mostly rural.. even in my small town though whenever I go on the busier roads I sometimes encounter hostility and impatient drivers. I think it's just a fact of life wherever you live, people can be unpleasant on the roads.. I think in London etc though it must be very stressful (not to mention dangerous) for some cyclists.. good reason then to have a camera, record your rides and any road rage incidents/dangerous driving and clock number plates. Maybe some people need to learn the hard way how to behave properly to cyclists and fellow road users eh.
dont worry I have a good camera! To some extent there is safety in numbers, In fact statistics are that you are twice as likely to be killed in a rural area then in the city...I hate riding in the country in the UK with narrow windy roads, and high hedges and very fast traffic. at least in London I'm travelling faster then the cars and yes I do try and get away from lights before the rush of speed merchants on a helter skelter rush to next set of lights, simply to preserve my own life...should be separate priority light for cyclists anyway

If an intelligent extraterrestrial was to sit up in the sky and observe how we deal with moving people around, they would probably fly on by and think us not worth the bother of an introduction....unless of course they want to eat us:confused::p
 

flecc

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" only a few give the rest a bad name."
My perception is the opposite, the majority of cyclist I come across seem to have a cavalier attitude to the interpretation of the highway code, from minor infractions to downright dangerous behaviour
My impression too, I think most cyclists think rather like pedestrians, i.e. there are no laws and rules, I just go where I need to as the fancy takes me. For the majority of cyclists I see that means lots of minor infringements, and a few are just downright dangerous and anti-social.

Yes, there are some really horrible drivers out there, but overall cyclists are worse when it comes to behaviour on the roads.
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morphix

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My impression too, I think most cyclists think rather like pedestrians, i.e. there are no laws and rules, I just go where I need to as the fancy takes me. For the majority of cyclists I see that means lots of minor infringements, and a few are just downright dangerous and anti-social.

Yes, there are some really horrible drivers out there, but overall cyclists are worse when it comes to behaviour on the roads.
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That's true I guess.. probably primarily because we don't have to sit any test to cycle on the roads.. and many who have never driven a car are just completely ignorant to road safety and the Highway Code.

When I was a boy that safe cycling used to be actively encouraged and we had the cycle safety test done inconjunction with our schools (and at weekends for everyone, via local community centres) that would teach you the Highway Code with a proper instructor who taught you how to cycle properly on the roads..there was a test at the end and you got a little pass certificate. I've never forgot what I learned there and always follow it.