The law is an Ass

Geebee

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We are able to legally ride on the foot path in my state, I don't and would not encourage anyone to do so for the very reason that newebiker56 stated, watching those that do so in areas where shops and houses open straight onto the path with no visibility is frightening.
 

jackhandy

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NEW biker - ridden all his life :rolleyes:

Safe to assume she won't be back, asking for help & advice, then?
 

MikeyBikey

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Negotiating shared space with common sense & due regard;

You would take up less space, 2feet across, to tip-toe a bike along at walking speed, than if you got off and pushed it, then taking up a lot more room (you plus bike). But judging by the news, they're only interested in handing out tickets. So be careful, *extra* *careful*.
A bell with a loosened dome will jingle while one rolls along, gently letting people know a bike is there. A loud train horn would only be for letting 'articles in control of large moving masses' know you, also, are keen to stay well and whole! :p
Btw, maybe clamp an air horn onto a cheap air freshener aerosol can? Or would the spray block it up?
 

peerjay56

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You would take up less space, 2feet across, to tip-toe a bike along at walking speed, than if you got off and pushed it, then taking up a lot more room (you plus bike). But judging by the news, they're only interested in handing out tickets. So be careful, *extra* *careful*.
A bell with a loosened dome will jingle while one rolls along, gently letting people know a bike is there. A loud train horn would only be for letting 'articles in control of large moving masses' know you, also, are keen to stay well and whole! :p
Btw, maybe clamp an air horn onto a cheap air freshener aerosol can? Or would the spray block it up?
Folks would smell you coming...;)
 
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. and you forgot about "The Ebike Effect", where the EMI from the electrics warps the space in front of the bike dragging unsuspecting pedestrians into your path.
 

flecc

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Btw, maybe clamp an air horn onto a cheap air freshener aerosol can? Or would the spray block it up?
Maplin sell compressed "air" aerosols for dusting, so one of those would do. However, no need, yacht chandlers sell aerosol based compressed air horns which Yachties use as fog sirens to alert shipping of their presence. They make an Airzound seem tame!
 

flecc

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. and you forgot about "The Ebike Effect", where the EMI from the electrics warps the space in front of the bike dragging unsuspecting pedestrians into your path.
Easy to do when the EMP from the phases has stunned them into semi-consciousness.
 

MikeyBikey

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Easy to do when the EMP from the phases has stunned them into semi-consciousness.
Does that come from the Flux Capacitor field? :-D
 

OldBob1

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That at least the advantage with the brushed motor on twister they think a milk float is coming.:rolleyes:
 

MikeyBikey

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Friday Die-In and Vigil at TfL HQ. is on Facebook

"Stop The Killing Of Cyclists - Die-In and Vigil at TfL HQ. is on Facebook"
Seems a v.cold time of year for this kind of caper? Probably best left to the younguns who dont worry about pneumonia :) Maybe preceded by running on the spot to keep warm & ambulances for those with hypothermia afterwards :-D
 
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mike killay

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I think it is all about education. In the UK, a problem with cycles on footpaths is that people don`t expect them. In Boston we have one official shared path, about 250 metres long, clearly marked with a line down the middle. A surprising number of pedestrians insist on walking on the cycle part, even when the footpath part is clear.
We have miles of these shared paths in Swansea, even in the parks. But it is amazing how many pedestrians walk on the bike side, seemingly deliberately.
Another thing that gets me on these paths is oncoming cyclists. The number that try to pass me on my left is incredible. They can't all be foreign students.
 

peerjay56

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We have miles of these shared paths in Swansea, even in the parks. But it is amazing how many pedestrians walk on the bike side, seemingly deliberately.
Another thing that gets me on these paths is oncoming cyclists. The number that try to pass me on my left is incredible. They can't all be foreign students.
Despite the line separating this kind of path, there is no obligation on pedestrians to stick to their side of it (it's in the highway code somewhere:)). Cyclists should give way to pedestrians on either side, of course:eek:
I've noticed the same phenomena when cycling on the excellent shared paths around Lancaster, and also the passing cyclist on the wrong side business. It seems to be a case of determining what line an approaching cyclist is taking, and then passing by mutual consent on whichever side. It's quite 'laissez faire' in it's adoption, and doesn't appear to be a source of conflict, in my experience. Having got used to it, I do as the locals do.:)
 
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Despite the line separating this kind of path, there is no obligation on pedestrians to stick to their side of it (it's in the highway code somewhere:)). Cyclists should give way to pedestrians on either side, of course:eek:
I've noticed the same phenomena when cycling on the excellent shared paths around Lancaster, and also the passing cyclist on the wrong side business. It seems to be a case of determining what line an approaching cyclist is taking, and then passing by mutual consent on whichever side. It's quite 'laissez faire' in it's adoption, and doesn't appear to be a source of conflict, in my experience. Having got used to it, I do as the locals do.:)
I don't agree at all. Having ridden and walked on the cycle paths in Germany, I know how much better it can be. Any pedestrian that wanders on to the cycle side of the line is dealt with swiftly, and all cyclists know which side to pass. The whole reason we have a Highway Code is to be able to avoid running into each other. We can't have people choosing which side to pass. What happens when you get a whole family of cyclists coming at you, and they decide to pass on both sides? Are you going to go for the kids or the parents? The kids will hurt less!
 

flecc

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On Kent Gate Way in my area there's a stretch of main road with a pavement on the northern side. Behind that is a very wide area of grass and set well back in that grass a dedicated cycle path.

Yes, you've guessed, all the pedestrians walk on the cycle path and never use the pavement! I can't really blame them though, the choice is on the edge of a busy road with traffic streaming right next to them, or walking between grassy areas away from the noise and fumes with a nice park on the left.
 

RobF

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I sometimes walk on a shared path which I usually cycle on.

On foot I find myself absent-mindedly wandering into the cycle lane.

I try to bear that in mind when I cycle up to a pedestrian who is blocking my way.
 

jackhandy

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We can't have people choosing which side to pass. What happens when you get a whole family of cyclists coming at you, and they decide to pass on both sides? Are you going to go for the kids or the parents? The kids will hurt less!
Happens all the time on the Camel Trail in summer: In fact, one of the 1st. photos in the Guide shows a large group setting out spread right accross the trail, so it's no wonder first-time bike hirers think that's the way to act.
I'm convinced everyone thinks it's one-way - whichever way they're going :confused:
 

MikeyBikey

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"Researchers from the University of Bath and Brunel University found that no matter what clothing a cyclist wears, around 1-2% of drivers will pass dangerously close when overtaking. They also found that compared to Transport Research Laboratory findings in 1979, drivers today on average pass 61cm (2ft) closer to cyclists - 118cm compared to 179cm." From the same one who tried wearing a long blonde wig, and found vehicles passed further away! :-o
High vis clothing doesn't make cars pass you more safely, says new study | road.cc
 

flecc

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I've found towing a large trailer results in very much bigger passing vehicle spaces, probably just because it attracts special attention.
 

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