The great british e-bike scam

Old_Dave

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Talking of voting rights...

I've always been a firm believer that the right to vote should be gained by an examination with the pass mark set fairly at 100%.

Oh and a welcome return to the 'A' level , the wailing and gnashing of teeth now that there will be proper studying required is sooooooooo funny


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If only the scapegoats weren't so featureless, this blame game would be a whole lot easier to play. As it is, just about anyone, black, white, ginger, blond, tall or short, fat or thin could become a scapegoat at the drop of a redundancy notice. Scary...
Yep, it's just fodder to the idiots who can't be bothered to string two rational thoughts together.
 
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Talking of voting rights...

I've always been a firm believer that the right to vote should be gained by an examination with the pass mark set fairly at 100%.

Oh and a welcome return to the 'A' level , the wailing and gnashing of teeth now that there will be proper studying required is sooooooooo funny


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Why can't they do the same with GCSEs? I've been a secondary school teacher for the last 10 years and I can tell you that GCSE passes are an absolute joke, and assessment based on "coursework" was the worst thing that happened to our education system. It took away all incentives to learn and understand. A-levels based on exams are going to be a real shock for pupils because never during their previous 11 years of education did they have to learn anything. By "learn" I mean be able to repeat or produce something on their own at some time after they supposedly learnt it.

I expect that they'll soften down this exam thing for A-levels by allowing them to use text-books and crib-sheets.
 
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tillson

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If only the scapegoats weren't so featureless, this blame game would be a whole lot easier to play. As it is, just about anyone, black, white, ginger, blond, tall or short, fat or thin could become a scapegoat at the drop of a redundancy notice. Scary...
Nobody is talking about penalising or persecuting the redundant. There is a distinct and easily detectable difference between a person who becomes unemployed and a person who has never worked and never intends to work. Sometimes, people choose to pretend that there is no difference between these two groups so that they can vilify anyone who suggests robust measures to deal with the lazy.

My suggestion is simple. If you choose not to work, deny yourself the opportunities to work and select a life of long term benefit claiming, then you lose the right to become involved in selecting the government which will spend the contributions made by working people.

On the flip side to this, there must always be opportunity and a way back, coupled with support to help people maximise any opportunity offered to them. If they then choose to turn their back on this, they must also turn their backs on the right to participate in voting for a government.

This is in no way vindictive, right wing.
 

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The right to vote without discrimination is a fundamental right of a democracy. Disenfranchising sections of society will likely turn people to revolution, and the ballot box will be replaced with the AK47.
 

Jeremy

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Why can't they do the same with GCSEs? I've been a secondary school teacher for the last 10 years and I can tell you that GCSE passes are an absolute joke, and assessment based on "coursework" was the worst thing that happened to our education system. It took away all incentives to learn and understand. A-levels based on exams are going to be a real shock for pupils because never during their previous 11 years of education did they have to learn anything. By "learn" I mean be able to repeat or produce something on their own at some time after they supposedly learnt it.

I expect that they'll soften down this exam thing for A-levels by allowing them to use text-books and crib-sheets.
I can't understand why there should be any opposition to the re-introduction of final exams. This was the system that had operated well for many years when I sat my A levels (admittedly that was during the 1960's) and it did just as you say, it ensured that it was only those who had a genuine understanding of the subject who got a good grade. It also prepared kids for university, where final exams were the only way of getting a good degree.
 

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...there must always be opportunity and a way back, coupled with support to help people maximise any opportunity offered to them. If they then choose to turn their back on this, they must also turn their backs on the right to participate in voting for a government.
Ah, there's the issue and a point well noted: do we as a society really provide all the support necessary to turn around the lives and attitudes of the apparently lazy? Or is it sometimes simply more convenient to use the label without further investigation.
 

Old_Dave

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it ensured that it was only those who had a genuine understanding of the subject who got a good grade. It also prepared kids for university, where final exams were the only way of getting a good degree.
It also prepares one for later in life (even much later :rolleyes:) in the art of how to learn and using an index, lol.
 

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Why can't they do the same with GCSEs? I've been a secondary school teacher for the last 10 years and I can tell you that GCSE passes are an absolute joke, and assessment based on "coursework" was the worst thing that happened to our education system. It took away all incentives to learn and understand. A-levels based on exams are going to be a real shock for pupils because never during their previous 11 years of education did they have to learn anything. By "learn" I mean be able to repeat or produce something on their own at some time after they supposedly learnt it.

I expect that they'll soften down this exam thing for A-levels by allowing them to use text-books and crib-sheets.
Dave,I absolutely agree... I remember being stressed at 11plus exams,stressed at O level exams,stressed at A level exams and doing 25 hours lectures for an Auto Engineering degree.....constantly tested by my employer (Ford)....but that toughens you up for the competition of business and life.
My son found his GCSE's easy,his A levels he thought hard but admitted later it was easy,his degree (Politics)was easy but he gave us the impression it was hard. Then he went to commercial flight school,his senior instructor said 'forget uni,that is 6 months work spread over 3 years,this will be 3 years work compressed into 6 months'....it hit him hard at first,this was real work for a real job,he slogged his way through it,but loves his job now,but he is rigorously tested every 6 months.
The point I am making is that if you want a good job you might as well be used to being tested all the way through school, for life and an employer will certainly test you to keep that job. I think its really about guts.
Dave
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103Alex1

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I've not seen any country that gets the balance right, to the point where the population don't moan about it (except, perhaps, some of the Gulf states)
It's easy to get it right when you are so awash with bounty relative to your native population that there is more than enough for all. Those same countries do not have a good record of a fair and reasonable attitude to migrant workers !

If only the scapegoats weren't so featureless, this blame game would be a whole lot easier to play. As it is, just about anyone, black, white, ginger, blond, tall or short, fat or thin could become a scapegoat at the drop of a redundancy notice. Scary...
Most people are well under 12 months away from being homeless in the event of losing their jobs.

As someone who spent almost 3 year unemployed not that long ago through no fault of my own (made redundant and despite applying for at least 10 jobs a week took that long to get another job) I must say I feel this is a far to simplistic view. Yes there are spongers using the system but there are far more who would love to and just cant get a job (and yes I was prepapred to work for minimum wage but as soon as a employer saw my CV they would not even interview me as they knew even if they employed me as soon as I could find better I would leave). I would love to know how these people get £26000 a year as according to my calculations I recieved in total less than £6000 and also saw pretty much all my savings dissapear. For those advocating cutting people of after 12 months just pray it never happens to you as my chance of early retirement has gone up in smoke and I dread the thought of ever being made redundant again as I dont know how i would manage.

I could tell you ar more about how the system sucks (The back to work program is a joke for starters) but it woudl just be a waste of time as there are far to many business's making money out of it for it to change.
GaRRy, your story is one I definitely believe and have seen 1st hand on many occasions. The more experienced you are often the more difficult it is to get back into work if you lose your job or have to take time out (which I have in the past to go back abroad to deal with family issues).

Stepping off the escalator whether voluntarily or involuntarily can bring about the same challenges ... and if you elect to on account of your family and circumstances there is little but distain and mistrust of your "sense of priorities" in the British workplace and absolutely no safety net from the State.

Submitting a CV based on a dumbed down skill set is probably your best bet of getting work ! I followed another path - and decided that a job brought me a false sense of security anyway with none of the upside potential... I set up on my own instead. Despite some real successes there have also been some abject and devastating failures .. but I've never been happier and have no desire to go back to bark to an employer's tune. Through all the ups and downs, I've never had a penny off the British government for the hundreds of thousands of pounds I've been made to contribute over the years to the system - when I really needed help and came back having given up my home here (no choice), there was no category of box I could tick on a welfare application form to help me back into work. Thankfully, I have family here with an old fashioned value system and a good relationship with them all. What went around came around and for my rallying to support family, family in turn picked me up and put me back on my feet. It turned out to be a far more valuable safety net for me than any State.

although poor, it seems that they can all afford tattoos and piercings as well as cigarettes. Nearly all the girls seem to end up pregnant.
The thing is there is a huge black economy in the UK and a great deal of cash changes hands in it. If you ever go out and witness first hand the sums of money which get blown abroad by youngsters on an annual basis buying vodka cokes at 28Euros a go in places like Ibiza, you soon realize a fair chunk of it is not (cannot !) be legitimately earned.

The right to vote without discrimination is a fundamental right of a democracy. Disenfranchising sections of society will likely turn people to revolution, and the ballot box will be replaced with the AK47.
Having lived under both democracy and autocracy, I can definitively say that democracy is not all it's cracked up to be ....

It also prepares one for later in life (even much later :rolleyes:) in the art of how to learn and using an index, lol.
... but surely one only needs to know how to use a "search function" nowadays :) ? Seriously though, I do wonder what people would do if communications infrastructure collapsed as a result of a natural disaster. The sheer lack of basic survival skills in many quarters beggars belief !
 

tillson

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Ah, there's the issue and a point well noted: do we as a society really provide all the support necessary to turn around the lives and attitudes of the apparently lazy? Or is it sometimes simply more convenient to use the label without further investigation.
No, I don't think we do provide enough support. We just, "warehouse" people on overly generous benefits.

There is plenty of work for the long term / never had a job / never intend to have a job, benefit claimants. A good start would be to set them on working in the community improving rundown areas. This would get them used to getting up in a morning and being at a designated place at a designated time. Once they have cracked that and shown some commitment, we could probably start thinking about some training and help finding regular paid employment.

I think single mothers would benefit from living in hostels under supervision where they could learn parenting skills, rather than being dumped in a council house to continue breeding unabated.

Harsh I know, but that's what the bed wetting liberal softies have done for us over the past 50 years. They created this situation and they are responsible for these people's miserable existence. Are they anywhere to be found now to take responsibility for their lunatic policies and failed experiments? No. They have disappeared. Cretins.
 
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We also carry a measure of blame in not adopting the euro. Having a different currency makes price differentials easier to apply. If we had wholeheartedly entered a borderless Europe in the same spirit of it's major mainland countries, I'm sure we would have seen some very different pricing and taxation policies, most obviously of course in alcoholic drinks and tobacco.
If Mr Cameron gets Britain out of EU it will make bikes even more expensive with all duty being applied. Even though he will want Britain to keep free trade of goods the Cherry Pick will not be allowed.

Andrew
 

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Andrew...duties,not from China but maybe from the EU....with the current left wing government in France,most of the wealthy french will by then be living in the UK including Sarkosy/Bruni.
The EU don't want us out,we contribute so much money to the moneypot-Cameron if he plays his cards right has a lot of power versus the French and Germans.
He needs to announce a referendum to break with the Liberals and undermine the power of UKIP but it is all too early at present,about 6 months prior to the next election would be about right,the Liberals would not force his hand early,because an election would be a disaster for them.
Are you coming back to the UK to defend your Bristol-Park Street trophy?
Nice to hear from you again.
Dave
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Ah, there's the issue and a point well noted: do we as a society really provide all the support necessary to turn around the lives and attitudes of the apparently lazy? Or is it sometimes simply more convenient to use the label without further investigation.
My view is that people are all different. We all know that a small number of the population could be put naked in the middle of a desert and they would thrive and come out on top. Others need help, guidance and protection from the worst excesses of any free market, not unconditional benefits, a job provided for them however lowly the position to keep them part of society.
Giving the "right" to a home at the taxpayers expense has created huge problems in the UK. The low paid honest factory or shop worker struggles to maintain a living only to see their taxes providing a better living to those with no intention of getting out of bed in the morning.
Anyone of working age who does not work must have a lower standard of living than those who work or society falls apart.
 

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Andrew...duties,not from China but maybe from the EU....with the current left wing government in France,most of the wealthy french will by then be living in the UK including Sarkosy/Bruni.
The EU don't want us out,we contribute so much money to the moneypot-Cameron if he plays his cards right has a lot of power versus the French and Germans.
He needs to announce a referendum to break with the Liberals and undermine the power of UKIP but it is all too early at present,about 6 months prior to the next election would be about right,the Liberals would not force his hand early,because an election would be a disaster for them.
Are you coming back to the UK to defend your Bristol-Park Street trophy?
Nice to hear from you again.
Dave
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Hi Dave,

Yes i meant bikes coming from Europe. And yes I'm locked now in the highlands with limited amount of Oxygen practicing for the big race. Soon when I come down to Bristol my red blood cells will stream more "OXYGEN" through my blood which i hope will let E-MATE win again. Hope Kudos won't hire Bradley Wiggins, otherwise I'll be screwed :)

All the best
Andrew
 

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Hi Dave,

Yes i meant bikes coming from Europe. And yes I'm locked now in the highlands with limited amount of Oxygen practicing for the big race. Soon when I come down to Bristol my red blood cells will stream more "OXYGEN" through my blood which i hope will let E-MATE win again. Hope Kudos won't hire Bradley Wiggins, otherwise I'll be screwed :)

All the best
Andrew
Andrew

Rumour has it that Jack Pullar will be pedalling the latest Kudos Ibex Crank Drive,don't worry no pressure!....just friendly competition....don't forget its not the taking part its the winning that matters !!!!!!!
Dave
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Jeez, it's like the rancid dribble spouting forth from the worst of the Republican SW stations in the USofA. I really had to pinch myself and make sure it was still a UK forum, with all the nasty, backwards, repressive, fascist leanings being expressed on here.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, I really mean that.
Despicable people.
You disgust me.
 
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Jeez, it's like the rancid dribble spouting forth from the worst of the Republican SW stations in the USofA. I really had to pinch myself and make sure it was still a UK forum, with all the nasty, backwards, repressive, fascist leanings being expressed on here.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, I really mean that.
Despicable people.
You disgust me.
Which particular bits didn't you like, and why? You need to be more specific. I thought that there were some very sensible comments as well, but maybe I'm a backward, regressive facist. I'm definitely regressive: As far as I can see, many of the changes in the things we've discussed have not been improvements and I'd prefer to change them back to how they were 40 or 50 years ago. Other things have improved, but we didn't discuss them.
 

funkylyn

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Jeez, it's like the rancid dribble spouting forth from the worst of the Republican SW stations in the USofA. I really had to pinch myself and make sure it was still a UK forum, with all the nasty, backwards, repressive, fascist leanings being expressed on here.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, I really mean that.
Despicable people.
You disgust me.
Hey......steady on Dave, remember this is a PUBLIC UK forum and we all have the right to voice our opinions as you well know.

Obviously those opinions vary a lot but it would be best not to resort to personal insults just because you disagree with some of the opinions that are voiced.

If some of the things said annoy and upset you so much that you cant reply without being insulting then best thing is just not to read the thread.

Meanwhile, personally speaking, I am certainly not ashamed of anything that I have said and see no reason why I should be

Lets all just chill eh :cool:

Lynda :)