Oh well I guess I was taking the slower is better a little too literally, I'm sure he'd see even more wildlife if he had to get off and walk up the hills 
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bikes without speedo are deemed to be illegal because they do not know when to cut off and you'll be riding an illegal contraption (according to some).
The Secret does not come with a speedo, how do you know that it cuts out at 15.5mph?
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Yes you do. It is less taxing to ride an ebike than it is to ride an unassisted bike.You don't need an electric bike to do that, in fact your enjoyment could increase even more if you ditched the e-bike and rode a normal bicycle
I know exactly what Dave means, my wonderful Panasonic powered bike cuts the power at 15 mph and if I want to, I increase the speed from there. When it comes to a hill and my speed falls to 15 mph, the power subtly returns and helps me maintain a good speed. Overall the ride is less taxing than undertaking the same route on an unassisted machine. Perfect.
I quite agree, it was only a tongue in cheek train of thought.
Actually, My original question had nothing to do with legality..
Today I have been for one of my little rides (see photo of typical terrain) I saw 7 cars, 1 pedestrian with a dog 2 farmers and loads a sheep (they are safe cos I didnt have my wellies) These roads are inaccessible to me on a normal bike as its 1000 ft climb to get up there but with my e-bike...... My problem is that I can get a good lick of speed on the downhill bits (20 to 25mph ish) but on the uphills its like riding through treacle until the motor comes on line but by then the momentum is lost. So if anyone knows how I can have one of these fitted that will switch on and off via the light switch I would really like to know. If you don't
want all the agro that seems to come by holding an unpopular veiw, please pm me...
Today I have been for one of my little rides (see photo of typical terrain) I saw 7 cars, 1 pedestrian with a dog 2 farmers and loads a sheep (they are safe cos I didnt have my wellies) These roads are inaccessible to me on a normal bike as its 1000 ft climb to get up there but with my e-bike...... My problem is that I can get a good lick of speed on the downhill bits (20 to 25mph ish) but on the uphills its like riding through treacle until the motor comes on line but by then the momentum is lost. So if anyone knows how I can have one of these fitted that will switch on and off via the light switch I would really like to know. If you don't
want all the agro that seems to come by holding an unpopular veiw, please pm me...
Artstu,if only that were true,I am 62 next week,reasonably fit for my age but I cannot climb mountain style roads in 30 plus heat....some of the hills I ride up I would struggle to walk up.You don't need an electric bike to do that, in fact your enjoyment could increase even more if you ditched the e-bike and rode a normal bicycle
There was a guy with me,64 years old but ex professional cyclist and his very fit 48 year old wife and they both have bought Kudos Secret bikes just to ride up the hills.
KudosDave
Happy birthday for next week Dave. It feels slightly strange to see the owner of a company that specializes in making cars go faster and stop more quickly extolling the view that slower is better but I do know exactly what you mean, an e-bike is the best way to travel IMO, and especially in that kind of heat.
My car has done 900 miles between MOT's, my e-bike has done 3,000 miles in the same period. Without the E in e-bike I'd have been lucky to have covered 100 miles. I also owe you a very big thank you Dave, had it not been for your Wetton Mill event last year I may still have been sitting on the fence about actually buying another e-bike, so thank you
Getting back to the thread, you know my views Phill, just get on with it
but I do know exactly what you mean, an e-bike is the best way to travel IMO, and especially in that kind of heat.My car has done 900 miles between MOT's, my e-bike has done 3,000 miles in the same period. Without the E in e-bike I'd have been lucky to have covered 100 miles. I also owe you a very big thank you Dave, had it not been for your Wetton Mill event last year I may still have been sitting on the fence about actually buying another e-bike, so thank you
Getting back to the thread, you know my views Phill, just get on with it
So maybe it is yourself that is plain stupid and does not understand,i just read your own review on your pro connect,your poor little legs were going round too fast, so you fitted an 18 tooth cog which takes assistance beyond 15.5 mph,making it an illegal bike that you have been riding,talk about living in a glass house and throwing stones.
Sorry to pi$$ on your strawberrys fishingpaul, especially after all your diligent research. As you will see from the date of the review, it was written years ago. I bought the bike as a tool to commute to work and I didn't realise the implications of changing the rear sprocket. After I became aware a 23 tooth sprocket was fitted and this has been the case for many years since. But yes, I did ride the bike for a time with an assist speed above 15 MPH.
Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil your evening and thanks for bumping the review. I'm rather proud of it and pleased with the way it reads. Do you agree?
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The legal 15 mph limit was well understood, even in the early days of the forum.
I think it's highly unlikely that you were unaware you were riding an illegal bike.
I think it's highly unlikely that you were unaware you were riding an illegal bike.
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You would have been fully aware after your ,research on the forums before purchasing
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Twenty seven month update on your bike,you seem to post your whole life on here,where is the post when on your realising your stupidity,you replaced the 18 tooth with the original legal cog.
there are so many unrestricted bikes out there like Tillson's ProConnect. They are legal because the manufacturers say that they are. In case of legal trouble, you can always blame the manufacturers. The customers think they have a nicely spreadout power cut off but trust me, their bikes are simply unrestricted. Without an external speedo, the system relies on the natural limit of the motor power. That's why his ProConnect can pleasantly cruise at over 20mph, the software has no clue which gear it is on. I wonder if his bike even has an EN15194 sticker.
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simple test for bikes without speedo to see if your bike is unrestricted:
find an empty stretch of downhill road. If you still have power after reaching 15.5mph then your bike is unrestricted.
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simple test for bikes without speedo to see if your bike is unrestricted:
find an empty stretch of downhill road. If you still have power after reaching 15.5mph then your bike is unrestricted.
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why downhill? to minimize wind effect and your input soaking up the power of the motor, make it easier to detect the motor's rumbling and tease the motor to reach higher speed.
Tillson's ProConnect motor is more strictly 250W compliant than most, you can't get much more than 15mph out of it on a flat roads. Most EN15194 modern bikes are actually 350W-500W bikes, needing an external speed limiter to keep them legal.
Tillson's ProConnect motor is more strictly 250W compliant than most, you can't get much more than 15mph out of it on a flat roads. Most EN15194 modern bikes are actually 350W-500W bikes, needing an external speed limiter to keep them legal.
I have ridden one of my EAPCs quite a few times, forgetting to attach the computer which encompasses the speedo. It behaves exactly as it does with the computer attached. Power assistance is finished at +/- 15 mph and I'm on my own after that. If I'm riding at 17-18 mph then get slowed down by gradient and/or wind, the power feeds in again when my speed drops under 15 mph.
The reason I can be sure about the speed in the absence of my speedo, apart from feel, is the speedo on my cycling partner's bike.
Your statement therefore doesn't seem to apply on my bike but I'm sure you have an explanation.
Tom
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