Have to agree...what a berk, surely he could have arrested him for wasting police time. Pompous twerp in need of a good slap (joke)
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So on the one hand you seem to criticise them for checking you had your lights on and in the very next sentance seem to complain that they never stop those without their lights on!
Make your mid up
What's wrong with having a child seat on the back if it's of a suitable standard and fitted properly?
That's a bit strong and I disagree entirely.
Absolutely........ he was obviously setting out deliberately to provoke the whole thing ......I thought PC Stout kept his cool far far longer than I would have done......and yes, Eddie,it wouldnt have ended like that with the Guardia Civil......they are very (too) happy to draw their guns at the slightest excuse......they are always ''in the right'' and discretion is always the better part of valor when guns are around
Although I was once physically attacked, over a clients boundary dispute, by the neighbouring Guardia civil officer ...... whilst he was off sick for mental health problems.....and was still allowed to keep his gun......I count myself very lucky that he only hit me over the head with a fence post !!
Lynda
Some cycle paths have the right of way but not many, there's a formula the council should use to work it out but many don't bother.
I don't understand that, I find zebra crossing more dangerous.
As an ex police officer...a long time ago...but PACE did exist.
He did not need to accept the ticket he could have elected to be dealt with by summons. To be dealt with by summons he MUST provide a name and address that the police officer can verify. If he refuses to provide those details he can then be arrested and detained until he provides the details. Section 24 of PACE.
The police officer does not have to stand there and quote the law, line and verse and with this obnoxious plank, I would not have taken the time. He could have videod me as much as he wanted and that includes in the back of the van with his hands cuffed behind his back....for his own protection of course.
Unfortunately the police officer fell straight into the trap of not taking control at the start.
Steve
He did not need to accept the ticket he could have elected to be dealt with by summons. To be dealt with by summons he MUST provide a name and address that the police officer can verify. If he refuses to provide those details he can then be arrested and detained until he provides the details. Section 24 of PACE.
The police officer does not have to stand there and quote the law, line and verse and with this obnoxious plank, I would not have taken the time. He could have videod me as much as he wanted and that includes in the back of the van with his hands cuffed behind his back....for his own protection of course.
Unfortunately the police officer fell straight into the trap of not taking control at the start.
Steve
As posted elesewhere, I have just come bak from Belgium. Bikes have the right of way there and it seemed quite embarassing as a British cyclist to stop wanting to cross a main road, anquite prepared to wait for a gap in the traffic, only to have cars going 40mph stop to let you cross!
On November the 11th, the day of the big remembrance parade at the Menin gate, I arrived in town by bike to find all the roads closed with barriers and either a Police or Fire officer in charge. Not wanting to leave my bike too far away (I have arthritris) I asked if I could push my bike through, the cop actually laughed and said 'Why not, it's no problem, ride it if you like'
I must say that although there were always bikes mingled with cars and pedestrians in Ypres, everybody seemed to be polite and give way to each other. Most of the outlying villages had a 'Priority' sign with a picture of a bike attached. Belgian motorists certainly do care about cyclists, but then I suppose they are all also cyclists themselves.
I did not see any signs of bad cycling. They all had lights and pedalled slowly where pedestrinas were about.
On November the 11th, the day of the big remembrance parade at the Menin gate, I arrived in town by bike to find all the roads closed with barriers and either a Police or Fire officer in charge. Not wanting to leave my bike too far away (I have arthritris) I asked if I could push my bike through, the cop actually laughed and said 'Why not, it's no problem, ride it if you like'
I must say that although there were always bikes mingled with cars and pedestrians in Ypres, everybody seemed to be polite and give way to each other. Most of the outlying villages had a 'Priority' sign with a picture of a bike attached. Belgian motorists certainly do care about cyclists, but then I suppose they are all also cyclists themselves.
I did not see any signs of bad cycling. They all had lights and pedalled slowly where pedestrinas were about.
You are totally correct in your assumption Mike "They are also cyclists themselves". That is where the huge difference is between the UK, Denmark, Belgium and Holland. More households in Denmark have bikes than cars and there is a large percentage that do not have cars at all.
When it comes to mileage per head, per year the danes outdo the UK by a huge margin as I am sure the Belgians and the Dutch do as well.
I think there is a chicken and egg syndrome here. The obvious argument is that we use our bikes more because we have the infrastructure which makes it safer for us to ride. But it was not always like that. Someone had to put the infrastructure in place to begin with.
Until someone in the UK takes a grip of this it will never improve. As nuts as I think Boris is, I think he has taken some big steps in London to go in the correct direction.
In Denmark when a new building plan is submitted , cycle paths have to be included as well as footpaths. When the building work starts, the footpaths and cycle paths are put in very early on. They are not just tiddly little, second thought cycle paths. They are the real thing, often with centre lines and always with ramps.
I really must get my camera out and take a ride to my brothers to show you what I mean. He lives about 10 miles away and I am never in any danger from the traffic.
Bring your bikes to Denmark, you would love it.
Steve
When it comes to mileage per head, per year the danes outdo the UK by a huge margin as I am sure the Belgians and the Dutch do as well.
I think there is a chicken and egg syndrome here. The obvious argument is that we use our bikes more because we have the infrastructure which makes it safer for us to ride. But it was not always like that. Someone had to put the infrastructure in place to begin with.
Until someone in the UK takes a grip of this it will never improve. As nuts as I think Boris is, I think he has taken some big steps in London to go in the correct direction.
In Denmark when a new building plan is submitted , cycle paths have to be included as well as footpaths. When the building work starts, the footpaths and cycle paths are put in very early on. They are not just tiddly little, second thought cycle paths. They are the real thing, often with centre lines and always with ramps.
I really must get my camera out and take a ride to my brothers to show you what I mean. He lives about 10 miles away and I am never in any danger from the traffic.
Bring your bikes to Denmark, you would love it.
Steve
I must admit even when I was in Nottingham over the weekend. It looked alot more bike friendly than Birmingham. Large cycle lanes and lots more people milling round on bikes.
I can't believe how backward Brum is sometimes. Still German markets here (Mostly run by Poles) so thats going to add some time onto my travel now I have to cycle through the drunken mess each night.
I can't believe how backward Brum is sometimes. Still German markets here (Mostly run by Poles) so thats going to add some time onto my travel now I have to cycle through the drunken mess each night.
I think it very sad that Boris Johnson keeps getting the credit for what Ken Livingstone has done. Almost all of London's cycling infrastructure and the free cycle route maps were Kens innovation, the cycle superhighways scheme was already under way, as was a bike hire scheme.
Immediately after his election, Boris cut the cycling budget by £20 millions and set out on the path of removal of the Western extension of the congestion zone. Not much help for cycling there.
Boris has continued with the planned superhighways though, and persuaded Barclays to stump up cash for the hire scheme, but these are miniscule contributions in comparison to what preceded.
I must say that I disagree withe OP.
We have a difficult enough time getting cycle paths and or shared pedestrian/cycle paths.
If cyclists refuse to use them, then the likelihood of more is low.
If there is something wrong with the path, then complain to get it improved.
Without a good reason not to use it, then all the backroom lawyers home made advice will not help you if you come before the Magistrates on a 'cover all' charge such as cycling without reasonable consideration etc. Any normal person would think you are nuts not to use the path.
The Police officer has a sworn legal duty to protect life and property. Whether if what he actually said to you is legally correct or not is of no account, he was trying to protect you.
We have a difficult enough time getting cycle paths and or shared pedestrian/cycle paths.
If cyclists refuse to use them, then the likelihood of more is low.
If there is something wrong with the path, then complain to get it improved.
Without a good reason not to use it, then all the backroom lawyers home made advice will not help you if you come before the Magistrates on a 'cover all' charge such as cycling without reasonable consideration etc. Any normal person would think you are nuts not to use the path.
The Police officer has a sworn legal duty to protect life and property. Whether if what he actually said to you is legally correct or not is of no account, he was trying to protect you.
My work and home are both on National Cycle Route 1, it is an almost traffic free route out from the centre of London. It's slow with lots of obstructions, if I stick to it then my journey will take about three times as long.
If I had to use that route every day I would not bother riding at all, just because a bike lane is there is not a reason to use it. Complaining often doesn't work as councils know full well that cyclists have the choice to use the roads instead. If the roads OK to ride on why should they spend money fixing the cycle path, I'd rather they spent it on new cycle paths where they are needed.
Well I read it and did not find it at all instructive.
All it means is that it's not illegal to ride on a road.
Still don't think it a good idea not to use cyclepaths where provided.
In any case, Cadden seems to have been riding downhill quite fast, and this probably influenced the Judge. You have a right to walk on the Queen's highway. Try exercising that right by walking in the middle of a carriageway.
All it means is that it's not illegal to ride on a road.
Still don't think it a good idea not to use cyclepaths where provided.
In any case, Cadden seems to have been riding downhill quite fast, and this probably influenced the Judge. You have a right to walk on the Queen's highway. Try exercising that right by walking in the middle of a carriageway.
[ You have a right to walk on the Queen's highway. Try exercising that right by walking in the middle of a carriageway.[/QUOTE]
I look forward to the introduction of a new National Speed Limit - 4 mph. Should save an amazing amount of fuel and pollution. Perhaps there could be a few special lanes for people in a real hurry - top speed of 14 mph? Suitable for ebikes, maybe? Brave new world.
I look forward to the introduction of a new National Speed Limit - 4 mph. Should save an amazing amount of fuel and pollution. Perhaps there could be a few special lanes for people in a real hurry - top speed of 14 mph? Suitable for ebikes, maybe? Brave new world.
Far too many are impractical or downright unusable. Thin tyred sports bikes in particular can't cope with broken surfaces or gravel.
One in my area was surfaced with tar and deep gravel, making it like riding in treacle, while another along the top of the downs is broken up to the point where parts of it have disappeared.
It would be impossible to enforce their usage without a major upgrading and following maintenance and repairs schedule, things which are unlikely to ever happen with our current economic prospects.
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