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Ghost1951

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Maybe fraud but there is a simple explanation. That computer system was created before the year 2000. To avoid the millennium bug among other things, they inputted the made up DOB that nobody alive at that time could claim as theirs for incomplete or invalid records.
Yes . You have just reminded me of the time i made a big data base and put in dummy records with data to test it. This was before the clerical staff populated the database with real data, but I had to test its functions and search macros. I remember, some time later, puzzled staff asking me why there was a person called 'Robert Knacker' that they could not find in their other records. :)
 
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Maybe fraud but there is a simple explanation. That computer system was created before the year 2000. To avoid the millennium bug among other things, they inputted the made up DOB that nobody alive at that time could claim as theirs for incomplete or invalid records.
"(Social security) records are reviewed every 3, 5 or 7 years depending on AGE, etc.." and which Web site one checks. So these should have ALL these "Millenium Bugs" have been Eliminated by 2003, 2005 or 2007, yes?
 

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got a dwp pip assessment roll in on one of these.
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More absurd stupidity from Trump.

In response to Zelensky's remarks that the President was living in a space filled with Russian disinformation, Trump posted on Truth Social that Zelensky was a dictator who had faked the USA into spending $350 Billion on an unwinnable war.

Yesterday Trump said that the USA had spent $500 Billion. The truth is more modest. The total of aid and military material spent by the US on Ukraine, is $100 Bn.

Trump would not know the truth if it bit him on the ar se. He is parroting Russian propaganda. European leaders reacted with outrage to the ridiculous falsehoods he posted and German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock described the remarks as absurd.

The former prime minister of Ukraine, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, told the BBC that Russia was "popping champagne right now" in response to Trump's comments.
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Yesterday, Trump was asked by BBC News what his message was to Ukrainians who might feel betrayed, to which he replied: "I hear that they're upset about not having a seat, well, they've had a seat for three years and a long time before that. This could have been settled very easily." "You should have never started it. You could have made a deal," Trump added.

Trump is a total buffoon - a hollow man, puffed up with his own narcissistic stupidity. We in Europe will all pay the price for his lunatic handling of this matter. If Russia gets away with what it has done, Ukraine will not be the last country to be invaded and attacked.
 
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Second thoughts on this idea of conspiracy....

If you wanted to do voter fraud or othrr criminal dealings, by concocting false identities, why would you draw attention by entering ridiculous ages on the ids? Why not use sensible ones?
I don't believe that they used false identities to get extra votes, but, instead, all they have to do is be negligent in taking people off. After fraud investigators checked the addresses of the voters after the 2020 election, they found all sorts of anomalies, like addresses didn't exist, voter not living at the stated address and multiple votes at those anomalous addresses. In some cases the voter lists were purged after they found massive proportions of the people on the list no longer lived there. Is that why Trump got nearly the same number of votes, but the dems got millions fewer?
 
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I don't believe that they used false identities to get extra votes, but, instead, all they have to do is be negligent in taking people off. After fraud investigators checked the addresses of the voters after the 2020 election, they found all sorts of anomalies, like addresses didn't exist, voter not living at the stated address and multiple votes at those anomalous addresses. In some cases the voter lists were purged after they found massive proportions of the people on the list no longer lived there. Is that why Trump got nearly the same number of votes, but the dems got millions fewer?
I can never understand why the voting system in the USA is so messed up and complex. Hanging chads from machines that don't work properly, a variety of different voting machines in different states, and such like rubbish as happened in the past was a product of overly complex solutions to a VERY simple problem of recording what candidate people chose. A cross in a box and an annual check on whether details have changed - as happens here is all that is needed.

Shabby handling of the voting system causes trouble at almost every election in the states. It contributes to suspicion and conspiracy madness too.

That reminds me - I have not yet replied to the electoral roll check that I got about a fortnight ago from the elections people in Northumberland. I expect you will have had an enquiry every year too.

 

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I can never understand why the voting system in the USA is so messed up and complex.
It was the best that could be arranged a few hundred years ago when it set up (1787 and 1804 according to DeepSeek, not verified)

The system causes an over-reliance on each state's voting mechanisms, as well as creating an absurd imbalance. As the presidential vote is a direct vote for president there is no reason in the modern day that the winner shouldn't win; but that's how it is. (Though imagine the chaos if there was a true single vote election and the total counts were within a thousand or so.) This time the election of their absurd and dangerous president was skewed by the system, but not enough to change the result.

Of course our system also causes an imbalance. At least there is more reason, as we elect MPs and their numbers indirectly decide the PM. The MPs do (some may disagree) have another useful role as MPs. The electoral college on the other hand has no purpose other than to imbalance the election.
 
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It was the best that could be arranged a few hundred years ago when it set up (1787 and 1804 according to DeepSeek, not verified)

The system causes an over-reliance on each state's voting mechanisms, as well as creating an absurd imbalance. As the presidential vote is a direct vote for president there is no reason in the modern day that the winner shouldn't win; but that's how it is. (Though imagine the chaos if there was a true single vote election and the total counts were within a thousand or so.) This time the election of their absurd and dangerous president was skewed by the system, but not enough to change the result.

Of course our system also causes an imbalance. At least there is more reason, as we elect MPs and their numbers indirectly decide the PM. The MPs do (some may disagree) have another useful role as MPs. The electoral college on the other hand has no purpose other than to imbalance the election.
Yes to all of that. It is an absurd system.

People here complain about 'unfairness' in the first past the post system we have. I think it protects us against extremism. It is very hard for an insurgent party here to get a majority, unless it can command large numbers in a lot of places.

There is an element of unfairness in FPTP: Reform got more votes than the Liberal Democrats, but have a tiny fraction of their number of seats in Parliament. But the other side of that coin is that wherever there is a true PR system, you can get chaos and an inability to act decisively in law making. This can and often does end up with extremist parties holding the balance of power - take Israel as an example. That lunatic settler party of extremists is controlling affairs. Netanyahu is entirely dependent on their support and they dictate what happens. This is not an uncommon problem in countries with a PR system. Neither is the situation we saw in Belgium a while back, where the country was without government for months because no coalition could be formed. Look at France too... Not that good.

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Whoever one votes for, the Uniparty wins.
Money people will stuff the ballot box with Anonymous Postal Ballots. And if you point it out...
Or in the case of the UK, the elections have been cancelled.
Isn't "demo-krazi" wonderful comrades? :cool:
 

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Whoever one votes for, the Uniparty wins.
Money people will stuff the ballot box with Anonymous Postal Ballots. And if you point it out...
Or in the case of the UK, the elections have been cancelled.
Isn't "demo-krazi" wonderful comrades? :cool:
There is little doubt that AfD will be kept out of government after election this weekend. No need to cheat with false postal votes.
If you compare the effects of misinformation against duplicate ballots, I am certain that misinformation will win every time.
 

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There is little doubt that AfD will be kept out of government after election this weekend. No need to cheat with false postal votes.
If you compare the effects of misinformation against duplicate ballots, I am certain that misinformation will win every time.
Is it right in a democracy to prevent elected candidates from participating in government? Some would say that it is far too easy for the established parties to disenfranchise those that the people have elected to represent them.

If we do prize democracy, I think it is probably wrong to do it.
 

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I don't believe that they used false identities to get extra votes, but, instead, all they have to do is be negligent in taking people off. After fraud investigators checked the addresses of the voters after the 2020 election, they found all sorts of anomalies, like addresses didn't exist, voter not living at the stated address and multiple votes at those anomalous addresses. In some cases the voter lists were purged after they found massive proportions of the people on the list no longer lived there. Is that why Trump got nearly the same number of votes, but the dems got millions fewer?
Spotted this while browsing - it explains some of the issues of people on database who are extremely old -

"Part of the confusion comes from social security’s software system based on the Cobol programming language, which has a lack of date type. This means that some entries with missing or incomplete birthdates will default to a reference point of more than 150 years ago. The news organization Wired first reported on the use of Cobol programming language at the Social Security Administration.
Additionally, a series of reports from the Social Security Administration’s inspector general in March 2023 and July 2024 state that the agency has not established a new system to properly annotate death information in its database, which included roughly 18.9m social security numbers of people born in 1920 or earlier but were not marked as deceased. This does not mean, however, that these individuals were receiving benefits.
The agency decided not to update the database because of the cost to do so, which would run upward of $9m.
A July 2023 social security OIG report stated: “Almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report currently receive SSA payments.” And, as of September 2015, the agency automatically stops payments to people who are older than 115 years old."

 
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Is it right in a democracy to prevent elected candidates from participating in government? Some would say that it is far too easy for the established parties to disenfranchise those that the people have elected to represent them.

If we do prize democracy, I think it is probably wrong to do it.
Here is the map of likely result of this weekend election:



You can see that the Christians Democrats and Christian Socialists are going to form the next government. It's a good coalition.
 
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Spotted this while browsing - it explains some of the issues of people on database who are extremely old -

"Part of the confusion comes from social security’s software system based on the Cobol programming language, which has a lack of date type. This means that some entries with missing or incomplete birthdates will default to a reference point of more than 150 years ago. The news organization Wired first reported on the use of Cobol programming language at the Social Security Administration.
Additionally, a series of reports from the Social Security Administration’s inspector general in March 2023 and July 2024 state that the agency has not established a new system to properly annotate death information in its database, which included roughly 18.9m social security numbers of people born in 1920 or earlier but were not marked as deceased. This does not mean, however, that these individuals were receiving benefits.
The agency decided not to update the database because of the cost to do so, which would run upward of $9m.
A July 2023 social security OIG report stated: “Almost none of the numberholders discussed in the report currently receive SSA payments.” And, as of September 2015, the agency automatically stops payments to people who are older than 115 years old."

You can see from the table of ages that it isn't true. How could you fall for that? If it were true, there would be a cluster of cases of exactly 150 years old, but there aren't. Use your brains instead of reading sponsored narratives.
 

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get this last time i went to the drug dealer i asked to see the notes and xrays from my leg and said there system does not talk to the nhs one.

said they have to ask for a paper copy or to be emailed to them.

think the blood testing computer still uses basic or dos as looks like a bbc computer screen gfx.