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Woosh

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Even UAE can't make zero carbon nonsense work! :cool:
It's about 10 years before the right time, mainly because the personal cars are still needed and they are not all electric yet.
 
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Only today commencing in service we had a new fleet of 20 advanced e-buses that don't even have to return to garage to recharge. LINK
I don't like how wide their A-pillars are. If they happen to be standing in the wrong configuration, I fear an entire tribe of ancient Celts could be hidden in that massive blind spot and be crushed, if too many of their number aren't riding bicycles pointed at the wrong angles.


 
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I liked some quotes from the protest.
Clarkson suggested: " how to cut public spending? ..walk into any of these buildings in Westminster, and if you can't understand what job they do, sack them!" Big savings, yes.

Another opined:
"Public sector work 4day week;
Private sector work 5day week;
Self employed work 6day week, and
Farmers work 7day week.
Why do 'socialists' hate workers so much?"


 

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I liked some quotes from the protest.
Clarkson suggested: " how to cut public spending? ..walk into any of these buildings in Westminster, and if you can't understand what job they do, sack them!" Big savings, yes.

Another opined:
"Public sector work 4day week;
Private sector work 5day week;
Self employed work 6day week, and
Farmers work 7day week.
Why do 'socialists' hate workers so much?"
The role of civil servants is typically to ensure that their political bosses don't break the law and to prepare the facts and figures. I am talking about those who work for central government in Whitehall.
The graduate fast track system is very selective. Only the best will pass the entrance exam. They then work 4 years at more or less at minimum wage to train for a career in the civil service. Only after that, they can start climbing the ladder.
Clarkson went to private schools. What does he know about the work of those he criticises?
 

Ghost1951

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AndyBike said:
Well the problem is if nobody pays tax you can wave a fond adieu to the nhs for starters. Where your recent little operation instead of being free gratis, would be in the £40,000 mark.

No benefits either, so you for one would be royally fked.
Nobody suggested that we pay no tax.

We should pay all tax that is due under the law - and that includes allowances and exemptions put in place by governments. People who don't do that are criminals.

You however are criticising people who pay according to the law.


As for the NHS - it is a hopeless behemoth.

It is currently under the last government receiving 10.9% of all the money made in the UK and its performance is rapidly getting worse. It only ever had a greater proportion of GDP during the pandemic.

It needs serious reform, not just boat loads of money. Even Wes Streeting is saying so, though I am much less inclined to take him seriously on the matter than notable people like Prof Sir John Bell who has spent a lifetime in medicine.

If you have an accident or a collapse, you will probably get timely assistance in most of the UK (not all), but if you are just ill, or in pain, you will have serious trouble seeing an actual doctor. THIS at a time when we have more doctors than ever. You will be fobbed off with a nurse or a pharmacist, or you will get an appointment in four weeks time. Oh - and don't expect to get anything sorted out when you do get seen.

We are spending £180 Billion a year of the NHS.

Cancer survival rates in the UK are poor by comparison with countries spending a broadly similar amount of GDP on health.

Doctors per 1000 people in the UK over time:

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As for the NHS - it is a hopeless behemoth.
it's like a train stuck on a line. You have to get people out of the train and get them to walk the line until they can join a road. You can then tow the dead train.
There is no other way to reverse the decline than reducing the queue of people waiting for treatment then you can start on a new path.
That needs a lot of money and good people wanting to work for the NHS. ATM, most consultants and senior nurses do some private work. That puts a lot of pressure on the NHS paying them even more money.
If you were a consultant in the NHS, the fewer hours you work on your NHS contract, the more you get paid NHS overtime and the more patients/customers willing to pay you directly.
 
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AndyBike

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It's gone up less than 1/2 a doctor in 7 years, so clearly we need more doctors.

But what can we expect with not only the last 14 years of underfunding, but every tory government has done the same.
The chart of waiting lists for labour and tory is a zigzag. Under conservative it rises to monumental heights, then labour take over and it falls to acceptable lows. Tories get back in and up the line soars to new record heights of waiting, then labour and back down it goes.

The tories have decimated the public purse and happily given it all to their donors and friends.
 
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Ghost1951

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It's gone up less than 1/2 a doctor in 7 years, so clearly we need more doctors.

But what can we expect with not only the last 14 years of underfunding, but every tory government has done the same.
The chart of waiting lists for labour and tory is a zigzag. Under conservative it rises to monumental heights, then labour take over and it falls to acceptable lows. Tories get back in and up the line soars to new record heights of waiting, then labour and back down it goes.

The tories have decimated the public purse and happily given it all to their donors and friends.
That is nonsense. The spending has gone up to the highest proportion of gdp ever spent on health in the last few years.

Go to some sensible sources for your information rather than relying of Labour Tabloid trash.

There is no point in debating with someone who only asserts total trash based on nothing.

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Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/317708/healthcare-expenditure-as-a-share-of-gdp-in-the-united-kingdom/
 

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AndyBike writes baseless nonsense.

Real terms spending (adjusted for inflation over time).

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It is NOT government which runs the NHS.

No one in government is in the least qualified to manage and run a health service.

What ALL governments do is to set a maximum figure to be provided from the public purse and then set broad objectives for service provision.

It is the NHS managers and clinicians of all kinds who deliver or don't deliver the service properly.

The problems of the NHS are of its own making. I don't think this new government, or the last one even had a single qualified medical practitioner among the lot of them. WHY does AndyBike think the government runs and manages the NHS or is in the least capable of doing so?

I have supplied the data on funding. The NHS has never had more money in absolute terms (actual billions) and more money as a proportion of our country's GDP than ever before. Andy Bike should admit that he is completely WRONG.

He won't though....
 
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Peter.Bridge

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From the Institute of Actuaries analysis
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Sweden, with negative excess since wk26 2021, is one of the most highly vaccinated countries. Belgium is one of the most highly vaccinated also has low excess deaths since wk 26. Bulgaria, least vaccinated, has the highest excess deaths since wk26 2021
 

Peter.Bridge

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AndyBike writes baseless nonsense.

Real terms spending (adjusted for inflation over time).

View attachment 60950

It is NOT government which runs the NHS.

No one in government is in the least qualified to manage and run a health service.

What ALL governments do is to set a maximum figure to be provided from the public purse and then set broad objectives for service provision.

It is the NHS managers and clinicians of all kinds who deliver or don't deliver the service properly.

The problems of the NHS are of its own making. I don't think this new government, or the last one even had a single qualified medical practitioner among the lot of them. WHY does AndyBike think the government runs and manages the NHS or is in the least capable of doing so?

I have supplied the data on funding. The NHS has never had more money in absolute terms (actual billions) and more money as a proportion of our country's GDP than ever before. Andy Bike should admit that he is completely WRONG.

He won't though....
Would you like to do an international comparison on that (per capita not by GDP) ? We're nothing special. All comparable countries are spending more on health - especially with an aging population

The Kings Fund ( which isn't sponsored by dodgy US money ) has a very good summary of research on international healthcare comparisons , including the graph you included.

It fundamentally disagrees with the Tufton Street line that is parroted by Telegraph and Spectator columnists

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/04/uk-thinktanks-urged-to-be-transparent-about-funding-as-1m-us-donations-revealed

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/reports/nhs-compare-health-care-systems-other-countries

  • "There is little evidence that one particular ‘type’ of health care system or model of health care funding produces systematically better results than another. Countries predominantly try to achieve better health outcomes by improving their existing model of health care, rather than by adopting a radically different model."
 
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Peter.Bridge

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Would you like to do an international comparison on that (per capita not by GDP) ? We're nothing special. All comparable countries are spending more on health - especially with an aging population

The Kings Fund ( which isn't sponsored by dodgy US money ) has a very good summary of research on international healthcare comparisons , including the graph you included.

It fundamentally disagrees with the Tufton Street line that is parroted by Telegraph and Spectator columnists

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/04/uk-thinktanks-urged-to-be-transparent-about-funding-as-1m-us-donations-revealed

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/reports/nhs-compare-health-care-systems-other-countries

  • "There is little evidence that one particular ‘type’ of health care system or model of health care funding produces systematically better results than another. Countries predominantly try to achieve better health outcomes by improving their existing model of health care, rather than by adopting a radically different model."
Some more info on this



From 2017 :



Top Performers
The top-ranked countries overall are the United Kingdom, Australia, and the Netherlands. In general, the U.K. achieves superior performance compared to other countries in all areas except Health Care Outcomes, where it ranks 10th despite experiencing the fastest reduction in deaths amenable to health care in the past decade

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Ghost1951

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Would you like to do an international comparison on that (per capita not by GDP) ? We're nothing special. All comparable countries are spending more on health - especially with an aging population

The Kings Fund ( which isn't sponsored by dodgy US money ) has a very good summary of research on international healthcare comparisons , including the graph you included.

It fundamentally disagrees with the Tufton Street line that is parroted by Telegraph and Spectator columnists

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/04/uk-thinktanks-urged-to-be-transparent-about-funding-as-1m-us-donations-revealed

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/reports/nhs-compare-health-care-systems-other-countries

  • "There is little evidence that one particular ‘type’ of health care system or model of health care funding produces systematically better results than another. Countries predominantly try to achieve better health outcomes by improving their existing model of health care, rather than by adopting a radically different model."
I have never claimed that the uk is the highest health spender. It is broadly about average in Europe on spending, but down in the weeds as far as outcomes go.

I use GDP because it is a measure of what a country can afford. A country with low GDP thatspends alongside high GDP countries is heading for a cliff.

As to why the uk has a lower GDP than many, maybe the fact that 21% of the working age population don't work, might explain that.
 

Peter.Bridge

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As to why the uk has a lower GDP than many, maybe the fact that 21% of the working age population don't work, might explain that.
 
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Would you like to do an international comparison on that (per capita not by GDP) ? We're nothing special.
14 years of rationing then covid has created an 8 million sick people queue. It's now down to starmer to get those with broadest shoulder to pay for the missing spend in those 14 years.
 

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I don't like how wide their A-pillars are. If they happen to be standing in the wrong configuration, I fear an entire tribe of ancient Celts could be hidden in that massive blind spot and be crushed, if too many of their number aren't riding bicycles pointed at the wrong angles.


Common to so many vehicles now thanks to crash protection legislation, but it may not be as bad as you think. Like most of our e-buses they don't have the huge double rear view mirrors. That little housing in their place contains some of the lenses that give the driver a dashboard view from the cameras around the bus.

And note the safety improvement of wheel spats on all wheels. That's a real improvement since we've had a few accidents involving the wheels due to crowding around buses in some places such as bus stations.
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Strange that it works so well in the Scandinavian countries.
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This was the direction the Labour Party manifesto under Jeremy Corbyn was trying to take us !
 
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