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There is a need to avoid food waste and check the price before you buy but no need to skim on food because if you cook reasonably well, you can make tasty meals like roast pork or chicken, macaroni cheese with mushrooms etc for very little.
Yes. I enjoy cooking and am glad we have such a range of excellent food on offer. I virtually never consume rubbish. Why would you? The food on offer in super markets covers the full range of what people demand. They are not there to preach to people about what is good for you, and they don't.
 
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I agree that the likes of us don't accrue enough to justify the expense of these 'tax management' methods.

But since 'All Tax is Theft?
And most "Tax" money is wasted? (Esp in Ireland!?)
"Tax is the lifeblood of gov, but burdensome to the individual" Milton Friedman.

Maybe we should avoid what we can, to save the gov the moral peril from wasting it? :)
OK I admit it lol, my IQ is about 134. I didnt want to add that and play into your narrative.

But i did like your bit that i cant be thick, being leftwing. which kind of suggests many righties are pudding heads
Though i suppose you just need to lok at the footage of the farage riots to see the wide range of knuckledraggers
I think you may have misunderstood me if you think that is what i said. Perhaps you were pressed for time, or were being distracted.

No one i know, of any persuasion in politics thinks that the rioters were anything but disorderly riff raff.
 

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I'd agree that J Clarkson is there only to get some advertising for his shop/hobby farm/pub, and fauxrage is there because he cares only about the rich tax dodgers that this is mainly aimed at, although self promotion is also his goal.

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Tax dodgers like Angela Rayner, who was living full time with her husband at his house, according to her neighbours and had been for some time, when she sold her ex council house, designating it as her main home.

I think that such an act is clearly the crime of tax evasion. This is NOT THE SAME as using the tax rules to lighten your tax liability.
 

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Tax dodgers like Angela Rayner, who was living full time with her husband at his house, according to her neighbours and had been for some time, when she sold her ex council house, designating it as her main home.
If I am not mistaken, there is an acceptable time lapse between you vacating the house before you put on sale and the time it is sold, somrthing like 3 years away from home and automatic 9 months for the sale.
 
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There is a need to avoid food waste and check the price before you buy but no need to skim on food because if you cook reasonably well, you can make tasty meals like roast pork or chicken, macaroni cheese with mushrooms etc for very little.
One problem is that so many of the Brtish dont cook well. They watch other people cooking well on TV and then eat a ready meal or phone Deliveroo or Just Eat.

It's notable that the three of us posting who are clearly keen cooks have continental family connections.
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One problem is that so many of the Brtish dont cook well. They watch other people cooking well on TV and then eat a ready meal or phone Deliveroo or Just Eat.
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More and more of us live alone. Cooking for one is harder than for 2. You need planning.
 

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More and more of us live alone. Cooking for one is harder than for 2. You need planning.
As a lifetime single and keen cook, agreed, but it comes down to being interested in cooking and eating well. Too many think cooking a chore and avoid it.
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We should all grow our own veg. I turned permanently orange because I drank so much pumpkin juice from home grown pumpkins. Here's how I look now.


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Microwaved carrot from this morning. I am become Jesus.
 
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The food on offer in super markets covers the full range of what people demand.
I very strongly disagree, I hate all the supermarkets with a passion.

Jaded vegetables often a week old before they even reach the shelf.

So called ripe and ready fruit as hard as cricket balls, due to being picked so early they haven't developed the enzymes that enable them to ripen.

Pineapples ditto, green instead of golden and which rot to ochre rather than ripen to golden.

Melons ditto so universally that only the elderly know how delicious a truly ripe melon is like.

Tasteless South American bananas from the giant American corporations instead of the smaller and far superior Caribbean bananas from small producers.

Black rubbery plums that are tasteless, introduced because they last for weeks on the shelf, only buying very unripe Victoria Plums on rare occasions, but which cannot then ripen.

Meat cut in unsuitable ways for best cooking and eating, thanks to the supermarkets introducing what they cynically called "The New Butchery" to maximise the amount of meat and profit from each carcase,

Endless aisles packed with absolute trash, often vile but of course cheap.

The largest aisles often those for alcohol, stupidly indocrinating peoples children and even infants that alcohol is a part of essential food, leading to a national drink problem. Supermarkets should never have been licenced.

And of course the way they systematically destroyed our small quality shops that I formerly used to buy far superior produce, much of it produce that doesn't even exist in Britain any more due to the obsession for cheapest food.
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You can grow strawberries which actually taste like strawberries, but farmers don't grow those varieties because they don't keep on supermarket shelves: Marshmello and wild varieties for example - epic strawberry flavour hits from both. It's perverse that chemicals used to flavour ice cream taste more like the fruits than the fruits supermerket sell. Imagine how gross ice cream would taste if flavoured to match the fruits supermarkets sell. Gros Michel bananas aren't sold here anymore (there are some specialist shops), which actually taste like bananas used to. Sadly, we can't grow them outdoors here yet. For wonderfully favoured exotic fruits and other produce, shop where they've been flown in by air from far far away a few hours ago. You're shopping it wrong. The supermarket map is not the territory. Anyone can grow their own fruit and veg inside their home, I do that too. Remember to wear sunglasses:


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For wonderfully favoured exotic fruits and other produce, shop where they've been flown in by air from far far away a few hours ago. You're shopping it wrong. The supermarket map is not the teritory.
I'm not shopping wrong, I just don't have those outlets any more.

My butcher and fishmonger don't exist now. The shop from from which Mr. Nash and his son Geoff departed in the very early hours each morning to drive to the old Covent Garden no longer exists, even the old Covent Garden has gone, now a tatty tourism attraction.

At Covent Garden they used to buy freshly picked veg from local producers that I was buying from them only hours later. Such fruits as huge golden California plums bursting with nectar like juice, just flown in. Flawless bunches of Muscat grapes, perfectly ripe Galia, Ogen and Honeydew melons, golden pineapples, ripe English apples, pears and Victoria plums. Trouble was that I increasingly became the only customer buying these expensive items as others fell for the cheap supermarket offerings, so the Nashes threw the towel in. Last time I saw Geoff he was driving a minicab for a living.

Agreed on strawberries, the delicious varieties we had 70 and more years ago like Royal Sovereign can't last beyond the next day when picked.
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I very strongly disagree, I hate all the supermarkets with a passion.

Jaded vegetables often a week old before they even reach the shelf.

So called ripe and ready fruit as hard as cricket balls, due to being picked so early they haven't developed the enzymes that enable them to ripen.

Pineapples ditto, green instead of golden and which rot to ochre rather than ripen to golden.

Melons ditto so universally that only the elderly know how delicious a truly ripe melon is like.

Tasteless South American bananas from the giant American corporations instead of the smaller and far superior Caribbean bananas from small producers.

Black rubbery plums that are tasteless, introduced because they last for weeks on the shelf, only buying very unripe Victoria Plums on rare occasions, but which cannot then ripen.

Meat cut in unsuitable ways for best cooking and eating, thanks to the supermarkets introducing what they cynically called "The New Butchery" to maximise the amount of meat and profit from each carcase,

Endless aisles packed with absolute trash, often vile but of course cheap.

The largest aisles often those for alcohol, stupidly indocrinating peoples children and even infants that alcohol is a part of essential food, leading to a national drink problem. Supermarkets should never have been licenced.

And of course the way they systematically destroyed our small quality shops that I formerly used to buy far superior produce, much of it produce that doesn't even exist in Britain any more due to the obsession for cheapest food.
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I find Sainsburies pretty good - though I agree about the unripe fruit. That can be a bit annoying. I stopped buying Lidle vegetables and loathe their bananas which are always over-ripe. Lidle do a great line in really low alcohol French lager. Saint Bertain. 250 ml, about 0.7 units per bottle. You can drink one or two with your dinner and not have the least drunken fug.

I don't hold with making access to alcohol hard like it is in Norway. A man who gets drunk, is a man who made his own choice to get drunk. I'm a VERY moderate drinker, but I like to enjoy the occasional glass of wine and I don't see why it needs to be harder to get just because some people are addicts. They will get drunk anyway, however hard you make it - just like all addicts. Heroin is not on open sale, but there are plenty who will go to any lengths to get it. This is why alcohol should not be made difficult to get. It wouldn't work and it would only annoy the rest of us.
 

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I'm not shopping wrong, I just don't have those outlets any more.

My butcher and fishmonger don't exist now. The shop from from which Mr. Nash and his son Geoff departed in the very early hours each morning to drive to the old Covent Garden no longer exists, even the old Covent Garden has gone, now a tatty tourism attraction.

At Covent Garden they used to buy freshly picked veg from local producers that I was buying from them only hours later. Such fruits as huge golden California plums bursting with nectar like juice, just flown in. Flawless bunches of Muscat grapes, perfectly ripe Galia, Ogen and Honeydew melons, golden pineapples, ripe English apples, pears and Victoria plums. Trouble was that I increasingly became the only customer buying these expensive items as others fell for the cheap supermarket offerings, so the Nashes threw the towel in. Last time I saw Geoff he was driving a minicab for a living.

Agreed on strawberries, the delicious varieties we had 70 and more years ago like Royal Sovereign can't last beyond the next day when picked.
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In the village near me there are two supermarkets, a traditional butcher, selling locally sourced meat - high quality but expensive. He can tell you which farm the beef or lamb came from. There is also a different butcher-come game dealer, come green grocer who has a fish counter with his wares on stone slabs. It is quite unusual these days to have the range of traditional outlets. You can also find takeaway food of various sorts.
 
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As Anarchy means "No Rulers", are you proposing abolishment of the Monarchy and making em cough up too, yes?

Funny that when I look for quotes about worker deserving their pay, only bible quotes come up! Where are the trade onion sources? Hehe :)

Anyway, re Property..
Since the worker deserves their pay, then the Pay becomes their *Property*, yes?
So according to your source, no-one deserves anything, no matter how hard they work? Mmm, Let's remember the soviet system and how well it all went, famines, mass starvation of millions, yay, happy times are here again!?
 

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Agreed on strawberries, the delicious varieties we had 70 and more years ago like Royal Sovereign can't last beyond the next day when picked.
Delicious plump and juicy Marshmellos are so easily bruised, I doubt they'd ever find a way to put them into punnets without damage. Impossible to transport by ebike. It's why I started growing them all year round within the recess of one of my kitchen windows. Missus is a big strawbery fan. Although helicopters hover above from time to time, we aint been raided yet. I can't wait to sue if they do. Also grow tomatoes and chillies indoors. Friends are growing pumpkins, kale, heirloom carrots and potatoes etc lol. You're only limited by space and the prices for energy we usually charge our bikes with. Life's too short for no deliciousness...
 
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Lake District, near Keswick, this morning. Minus 4C

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I'm not shopping wrong, I just don't have those outlets any more.

My butcher and fishmonger don't exist now. The shop from from which Mr. Nash and his son Geoff departed in the very early hours each morning to drive to the old Covent Garden no longer exists, even the old Covent Garden has gone, now a tatty tourism attraction.

At Covent Garden they used to buy freshly picked veg from local producers that I was buying from them only hours later. Such fruits as huge golden California plums bursting with nectar like juice, just flown in. Flawless bunches of Muscat grapes, perfectly ripe Galia, Ogen and Honeydew melons, golden pineapples, ripe English apples, pears and Victoria plums. Trouble was that I increasingly became the only customer buying these expensive items as others fell for the cheap supermarket offerings, so the Nashes threw the towel in. Last time I saw Geoff he was driving a minicab for a living.
London's a big place.
 

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London's a big place.
Agreed, but how long would it take me to get to the few outlets that still exist? Great for those living in easy reach of Borough Market for example, but for me that could take at least an hour of driving aggro each way, not to mention the parking impossibility, and then only for a few of the things I mentioned.
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Agreed, but how long would it take me to get to the few outlets that still exist? Great for those living in easy reach of Borough Market for example, but for me that could take at least an hour of driving aggro each way, not to mention the parking impossibility, and then only for a few of the things I mentioned.
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Batch cooking for a few hours a week saves us a lot of time. You can part cook some things, point is if you order big, shops like that deliver, as they do to fine restaurants. Then process without nasty chemicals and store in your freezer. If they don't deliver, send a gruber with a Uber, or man with a van.
 
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