Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[Woosh]

When Trump weeds out all the government corruption, do you think that the climate change data will get adjusted, or will it get adjusted to show no climate change for some other reason?

Here's his plan from a year ago. No wonder they tried to kill him three times. It looks pretty good to me. Hopefully UK can learn from USA so that we can get the same:

https://x.com/i/status/1854717077837562314

Why do you think trump will do better this time than last? His avowed mission then was to drain the swamp. Everyone agreed that needed doing. People had high hopes that he was the one to do it. But did he drain the Washington swamp? It turns out that he did not and if you believe his opponents, he enriched his family instead.
Do you know how much trump winning the wh has increased the paper fortune of the billionaires? Tesla shares went up 31.5%, elon musk's fortune is already worth 290 billion dollars before the vote. Do you know how much tax the top US billionaires have paid on their fortunes? Between 0% and 0.5%. Trump will cut it further still.
France has big budget problems. Macron and barnier try to take 2% from the French billionaires last week. They have been threatened by all sorts.
The truth is, the richer they are, the greedier they are.

 

[saneagle]

Why do you think trump will do better this time than last? His avowed mission then was to drain the swamp. Everyone agreed that needed doing. People had high hopes that he was the one to do it. But did he drain the Washington swamp? It turns out that he did not and if you believe his opponents, he enriched his family instead.
Do you know how much trump winning the wh has increased the paper fortune of the billionaires? Tesla shares went up 31.5%, elon musk's fortune is already worth 290 billion dollars before the vote. Do you know how much tax the top US billionaires have paid on their fortunes? Between 0% and 0.5%. Trump will cut it further still.
France has big budget problems. Macron and barnier try to take 2% from the French billionaires last week. They have been threatened by all sorts.
The truth is, the richer they are, the greedier they are.

Rinos have no power over him this time and they're not going to be able to do continuous impeachments to tie him up. It's going to be fiery. I can't wait. To be honest, I'll be surprised if he makes it to January. I hope he does, but they've got too much to lose. Mind you, I didn't think he was going to make it to the election. They tried to get him, but it didn't work out for them. Maybe he has divine protection.

 

[MikelBikel]

 

[Woosh]

Rinos have no power over him this time and they're not going to be able to do continuous impeachments to tie him up. It's going to be fiery. I can't wait. To be honest, I'll be surprised if he makes it to January. I hope he does, but they've got too much to lose. Mind you, I didn't think he was going to make it to the election. They tried to get him, but it didn't work out for them. Maybe he has divine protection.

he has no respect for the legal system. I can understand that he resents those who took him to Court but he broke the law in the first place. Nobody forced him to brag about grabbing women by their p*ssy. Nobody forced him to ask Pence to pervert the election process or stuff government papers where they shouldn't be.
He has no respect for the job he was voted to do, nor for the oath he made to protect the constitution. You can see that in his effort to introduce schedule F into the soldiers and civil servants' contract of employment. He want to change their oath from protecting the constitution to swearing allegiance to him instead, the president. That will take away the non-political protection for civil servants and soldiers. He will give government jobs to thousands of convicted criminals who would never get security clearance in the first the place. And all that before he let them lose on the public institution like the FDA, NIH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the Federal Reserve Bank etc

 

[AndyBike]

A quote from FB
"
Call me defeatist, but I’m going to say this one last thing, then disengage from the subject entirely.
It’s hard to know what to say anyway, but it’s an important enough issue to at least clarify my position, to be on the right side of history if nothing else.
There have been moments I’ve just wanted to write, “If you voted for Trump, save me the trouble, disconnect from me, I want nothing more to do with you”. Tempting, but I’d like to be a better person than that. Less ‘knee-jerk’ at least.
That being said – and this is the main crux of this post – if you did vote for him, I’m acutely aware that no words of mine, or anyone else’s, could possibly hope to reach you.
What I mean by that is this. His astonishing list of transgressions have been on full display for all of us to see for a decade, so to pick any particular item from that list and point it out to you would be utterly futile, because surely you already know.
I could say, “He’s a self-confessed serial sex offender”, but you already know that, we all know that, so it must not matter to you.
I could remind you that he was found liable for rape by a jury, but you remember that anyway, and it obviously doesn’t matter to you.
I could say, “He thinks climate change is a hoax, he’ll remove the US from all efforts to curb carbon emissions”, but you already know that too and you voted for him regardless, so that clearly doesn’t matter to you either.
I could assert the glaringly obvious facts that he’s a pathological liar and a malignant narcissist, that he’s known for ripping off contractors, cheating on his wives, stealing from a childhood cancer charity, he bankrupted a casino. It really doesn’t matter which specific thing I could focus on from the extensive list of disgraces and embarrassments, you know all about all of it already, but none of it matters to you. Or at the very least none of that matters to you as much as…what?
The price of eggs? The cost of filling your car with gasoline?
You think the guy who bankrupted a casino is going to improve the economy? You think all the respectable economists are wrong and that the guy who clearly doesn’t understand how tariffs work is magically going to save you money?
Out of curiosity, how cheap do eggs have to get in order for you to consider rape as an acceptable compromise?
How much do gas prices have to go down to in order for you to reconcile in your own mind being ’pro life’ when you’re simultaneously happy for women to be refused medical intervention while they’re bleeding to death in a hospital car park? When you’re insistent upon the child victims of incest rape to be forced to give birth to their own father’s child? All because of your god that they don’t even necessarily believe in themselves.
As I write this, I’m fully aware that it won’t scratch the surface of your delusion, so spare us both the wasted energy of the response you maybe formulating in your mind right now. I won’t read it.
We are so fundamentally different on every level, morally in particular, that even the vaguest agreement or common ground seem out of reach. If you don’t already understand that he’s a bad person, I can’t help you see it. I don’t want to be so pedantic as to unfriend, unfollow or block anyone, but I am prepared to, because your support of this despicable human is so selfish and so negatively consequential to others that it’s nigh on impossible to respect you.
The darker side of me, which I’m growing tired of hearing from lately, hopes you personally feel the full force of the decision you’ve made as it all comes crashing down around you. At that point, you’ll be hoping you have sufficiently loyal and patient friends willing to accept your apology.
The lighter side of me hopes that someday, somehow, you’ll evolve sufficiently to be capable of feeling the shame and embarrassment befitting of your recent choice, but sincerely and regretfully, I doubt you ever will.
To the rest of you, in the US and globally, I’m deeply sorry for what we’ve been forced to endure.
I’ve deleted X from my phone and from this point forward it’ll be all animal welfare and conservation.
Love and light "

 

[Ghost1951]

When Trump weeds out all the government corruption, do you think that the climate change data will get adjusted, or will it get adjusted to show no climate change for some other reason?

Here's his plan from a year ago. No wonder they tried to kill him three times. It looks pretty good to me. Hopefully UK can learn from USA so that we can get the same:

https://x.com/i/status/1854717077837562314

Climate warming is a REAL phenomenon. The warming is 1.3 degrees c above the pre-industrial level. Those are facts. Whether it is currently any where near a disaster is a matter of opinion, upon which people vary. Personally, I think there is much exaggeration of terrifying effects. I don't believe that moderate levels of change as we have seen so far will be an overall bad thing, though of course, for some people in some places, it will be a problem. People have throughout the existence of our species had to adapt to natural forces. The fact that any of us actually inhabit places as far north as I live (55N) are purely down to people taking action to remedy the problems which present themselves by living outsude the range of climate that we evolved in where the temperatures were on average around 23 to 25 degrees c. The mean annual temperature where I live is about 10c.

Human ingenuity in my opinion, ought to be able to cope and produce solutions.

This does not mean that we ought to be careless about how much carbon we emit. I would guess that my own carbon footprint is smaller than most in this country. My best estimates of how much carbon I cause to be released show that I am on the very low side for a western person about 4 tonnes including electricity, gas heating, petrol for my car and food. I buy manufactured goods rarely.

When I see the words 'the science is settled, I know that I am dealing with someone who does not know what science is and how it is supposed to work. Science progresses by continually challenging and overturning its ideas and theories. It is a continuous process of testing, challenge and refinement of ideas. Any science that is settled is not science at all.

 

[Ghost1951]

The Lake Nyos disaster
.

Nothing to do with global warming at all.

Lake Nyos had a very large amount of co2 dissolved in the water or perhaps in sludge at the bottom. The surrounding area forms a bowl. A lot of people live there. For reasons unknown, possibly a small volcanic eruption or a land slide, the waters were badly disturbed and emitted a large amount of co2 in a very sudden and catastrophic way and because co2 is heavier than air, it settled over their homes and suffocated them. This was no more to do with global temperature than a catastrophic tsunami caused by an under water earthquake is.

Perhaps you were reacting to my earlier comment that co2 is not a poison except in very high concentrations. It isn't, but if through a very strange combination of circumstances, you were overwhelmed by a geologically caused out-gassing event, yes - you could be suffocated.

 

[Ghost1951]

I thought you may think I don't make sense. What I meant is look at the gradient. All the charts you quoted were about average concentration of CO2 once it is diluted into the high atmosphere and into the seas and into everything else.
The gradient is more important in terms of rising temperatures where large populations live, than the average.
Saneagle also made the same mistake when talking about sea temperatures.

Co2 dissolved in ocean water is NOT part of the measured atmospheric co2.

It is true that the atmosphere does not have a uniform level of co2. Satellite measurements confirm that, but it is obvious anyway. Co2 levels vary by day and night, because plants and forests take in co2 and make sugars and wood through photosynthesis and of course, this only happens during daylight and the intensity of the daylight also has an impact on the uptake of co2. These variations are irrelevant in any case since there is not the slightest possibility of a level of co2 becoming poisonous unless perhaps a person such as Fred Dibnah the famous steeple jack were to climb a power station chimney and sit in the flow of the flu gasses.

I know you are obsessed with air quality issues in cities, but this is an obsession with nonsense as far as I am concerned I lived about sixty-five years of my life in busy cities like Newcastle upon Tyne and London and I have never had a day's illness in my life that was caused by poor air quality. At one time, I was a keen runner and ran 25 miles a week for years at 5 minute mile pace along very busy rush hour roads. I was breathing very hard at that pace. Never a problem. Some people are barely fit to survive. I can't speak for them.

 

[lenny]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

 

[Ghost1951]

On the contrary, most of the impacts are well understood, both geographically and topically

Fact Sheets

The regional and crosscutting fact sheets give a snapshot of the key findings, distilled from the relevant Chapters and Cross-Chapter Papers, the Technical Summary and the Global to Regional Atlas.

www.ipcc.ch

You don't seem to understand why temperature anomalies are used

No - I do, but I don't see why they are almost exclusively the only measure that comes up when googling 'mean global temperature'. As I said, the artificial exaggeration of the Y axis makes teh changes look scary when in absolute terms they are tiny.

You also don't seem to understand the difference between Transient Climate Response and Equilibrium Climate sensitivity

I m aware of the idea that warming may and likely will lead to positive feedback events such as the release of dissolved co2 in oceans through ocean warming, and some other events such as greater heat absorption through loss of reflective ice. There are also theories concerning the possibilities of methane release from clathrates in the arctic ocean and in tundra landscapes. Of course no one can know how such possible events will pan out since we have not seen them going on in any serious way. One can make a guess, but where is the evidence and the measurement data of ACTUAL events?

You can cherry-pick the CO2 fertilization effect from the overall effect of adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, but that is not how the world—or its climate—works.

I am very much against cherry picking whoever does it.

The wild claims of many writers and researchers on the subject of the effects of climate change are in my view cherry picking and have become a genre of science fiction rather than science fact.

Claims such as that there will be mass extinctions in the next half century are absolute nonsense as are advertising campaigns showing the planet burning up which was on TV about six months ago. Utter balderdash. There have always been fires in arid areas. I read an article last year by an Australian woman dealing with the notes her great grandfather wrote about how his farm was destroyed by fire in 1898. Aborigines used controlled fires in the outback to consume dried plant materials and bush for thousands of years. Lately, environmental laws forbade this long used practice, flammable material built up and much more violent and dangerous fires resulted.

 

[Woosh]

Co2 dissolved in ocean water is NOT part of the measured atmospheric co2.

about a quarter of the CO2 we emit is reabsorbed by the ocean, about 25% by other routes like trees, so the measured increase in CO2 in the atmostphere is only half of our real emissions.
The dissolved CO2 kills the life in the ocean because species living there can't adapt as quickly as we do.
When people say the science is settled, I reckon most of us mean by that is we accept that science has proved that human activities harm the planet.
The issue of how much and how fast are of course still debatble.
I think you and I can agree that as a species, we must act to make our planet sustenable again.

 

[saneagle]

he has no respect for the legal system. I can understand that he resents those who took him to Court but he broke the law in the first place. Nobody forced him to brag about grabbing women by their p*ssy. Nobody forced him to ask Pence to pervert the election process or stuff government papers where they shouldn't be.
He has no respect for the job he was voted to do, nor for the oath he made to protect the constitution. You can see that in his effort to introduce schedule F into the soldiers and civil servants' contract of employment. He want to change their oath from protecting the constitution to swearing allegiance to him instead, the president. That will take away the non-political protection for civil servants and soldiers. He will give government jobs to thousands of convicted criminals who would never get security clearance in the first the place. And all that before he let them lose on the public institution like the FDA, NIH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, the Federal Reserve Bank etc

There was absolutely no definitive evidence for any of those things. They're just made up stories, where facts have been adjusted. You've been reading too much MSM again. If he manages to live long enough to get into office, the truth will come out and you'll see I'm right.

 

[Ghost1951]

Rinos have no power over him this time and they're not going to be able to do continuous impeachments to tie him up. It's going to be fiery. I can't wait. To be honest, I'll be surprised if he makes it to January. I hope he does, but they've got too much to lose. Mind you, I didn't think he was going to make it to the election. They tried to get him, but it didn't work out for them. Maybe he has divine protection.

Who is this 'They' you are talking about?

Do you mean the half mad loser who started firing at him, and the fellow creeping about on the golf course?

Any examination of these people shows that they were deranged wannabes.

I know you dearly love a 'conspiracy' but these people were sad loser nutters. In an environment when anyone can walk into a gun shop and buy an assault rifle, unsuitable people are going to be armed. Trump himself is dead set against changing that situation by having any kind of sanity assessment before a gun can be bought. The term, 'you reap what you sow', comes to mind.

Who knows what might happen in a country which has been so horribly divided. One of the biggest dividers of people into warring camps has been the Orange lunatic himself. America is a strange place, becoming stranger by the day. Social media, freely available firearms, in particular assault weapons, and no constraint on what people say or publish is a recipe for a civil war, in my opinion.

 

[soundwave]

it is civil war as that was the plan cos when he turns off the benefits for 30 million migrants the $hit will hit the fan.

NYC to stop giving migrants prepaid debit cards for food

The controversial $53 million program reportedly provided food to more than 2,600 migrant families in New York City.

abc3340.com

 

[Ghost1951]

There was absolutely no definitive evidence for any of those things. They're just made up stories, where facts have been adjusted. You've been reading too much MSM again. If he manages to live long enough to get into office, the truth will come out and you'll see I'm right.

Oh no?

That must be how he came to be convicted of a felony in falsifying financial record to cover up a hush money payment to a porn actress.

I mean - I know you are an admirer of the man but really? No definitive evidence. he was convicted by a jury and would have been in the other cases.

It seems that in America and also here (alFayed) very rich men can do as they like and people still believe they didn't break the law.

Musk CERTAINLY broke the law and influenced the vote with his lottery scam. The law clearly states that people can not be given inducements to register to vote. The conditions of Musk's lottery (1 register to vote. 2 vote for a petition which supports the second amendment) clearly caused people to be in effect offered an inducement to register who were conservative minded people.

Musk didn't even turn up for the court case.

 

[saneagle]

Who is this 'They' you are talking about?

Do you mean the half mad loser who started firing at him, and the fellow creeping about on the golf course?

Any examination of these people shows that they were deranged wannabes.

The guy in the bushes had a Facebook page where he talked about his job of travelling to Afganistan to recruit ISIS fighters to fight in Ukraine against the Russians. That doesn't sound like you're average deranged loser to me. The other guy that was killed had strong links to BlackRock. Maybe these things are just coincidences!

There was also the guy arrested on October 12 near a checkpoint at a Donald Trump rally in Coachella, who had two firearms and ammunition, multiple passports with different names, and an unregistered vehicle with a fake license plate. he must have been quite deranged to get his name wrong so many times every time he applied for a passport and driving licence.

 

[jamesporritt]

No pornography, no abortion. Sex for procreation only. It's the god squad gone mad. Or madder.

 

[Ghost1951]

about a quarter of the CO2 we emit is reabsorbed by the ocean, about 25% by other routes like trees, so the measured increase in CO2 in the atmostphere is only half of our real emissions.
The dissolved CO2 kills the life in the ocean because species living there can't adapt as quickly as we do.
When people say the science is settled, I reckon most of us mean by that is we accept that science has proved that human activities harm the planet.
The issue of how much and how fast are of course still debatble.
I think you and I can agree that as a species, we must act to make our planet sustenable again.

We KNOW what our emissions are and we KNOW that the vast majority of them come not from the UK, but from truly massive emitters like China. The calculations are easily carried out by simply using the data available on consumption of oil gas and particularly coal which is the most carbon dense fuel by a very long mile

The dissolved co2 in the oceans is part of the carbon cycle that was going on long before any human walked on the earth and in those days the co2 levels in the air and in the oceans were FAR greater than they are now. This was going on in oceans that were absolutely teaming with life as was the land once land animals evolved. You imply the oceans will be dead... They were far from dead when the co2 level was about four times what it is now. The absolute contrary was the case.

Human beings change the planet, as do other species. The evolution of cycano bacteria changed the planet by producing oxygen into an atmosphere which had none. It is called the great oxygenation event. I'm rather glad they did that else none of us would be here.

The so called Green Movement is populated by people who hate human kind and want us all to live in abject misery and poverty. They attempt to pass laws which will achieve those conditions.

I live frugally and considerately. I heat my living room to 18 or 19 c and don't heat other rooms. I drive an exceptionally efficient car a minimal amount. I use about 2kwhr of electricity every day. I burn 2.5 cu metres of gas each day. I could not be more energy conscious I am probably the meanest f ucker on this board. I am not inclined to take lessons about climate and co2 from people who I KNOW are FAR more profligate than I am.

 

[Woosh]

There was absolutely no definitive evidence for any of those things. They're just made up stories, where facts have been adjusted. You've been reading too much MSM again. If he manages to live long enough to get into office, the truth will come out and you'll see I'm right.

If I don't know you, I'd say you are making excuses for him.
Are all the video clips showing Trump as he was and is all fakes put up by communists?
Apparently, Trump will have to sign more or less immediately a pledge that "he will avoid conflicts of interest and other ethical concerns while in office". Judging by the number of lies he already told, it's won't be an issue.

 

[saneagle]

Oh no?

That must be how he came to be convicted of a felony in falsifying financial record to cover up a hush money payment to a porn actress.

I mean - I know you are an admirer of the man but really? No definitive evidence. he was convicted by a jury and would have been in the other cases.

It seems that in America and also here (alFayed) very rich men can do as they like and people still believe they didn't break the law.

Musk CERTAINLY broke the law and influenced the vote with his lottery scam. The law clearly states that people can not be given inducements to register to vote. The conditions of Musk's lottery (1 register to vote. 2 vote for a petition which supports the second amendment) clearly caused people to be in effect offered an inducement to register who were conservative minded people.

You obviously don't know the facts. He didn't pay anything. The payment came from a second rate lawyer, Michael Cohen, who mortgaged his house to get the $130k, then he slipped in false bills to the Trump campaign to get his money back. He was subsequently convicted of fraud and other offences. from his trial:

Blanche also got Cohen to admit that almost every episode of his podcast mentions Trump and highlighted to jurors that Cohen sold mugs that said “send him to the big house and not the White House” and a T-shirt that pictured Trump in an orange jumpsuit. Cohen acknowledged that he wanted Trump to get convicted and was wearing the shirt recently on TikTok and urging supporters to buy it.
He doesn't sound to me like the sort of guy Trump or anyone else would want to get to pay off one of their enemies. What do you think?

Also, Stormy Daniels' lawyer in the case was convicted of fraud and other offences:

Michael Avenatti: Stormy Daniels' ex-lawyer found guilty

Michael Avenatti stole almost $300,000 from client he represented in case against Donald Trump.

www.bbc.co.uk