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Ghost1951

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The guy in the bushes had a Facebook page where he talked about his job of travelling to Afganistan to recruit ISIS fighters to fight in Ukraine against the Russians. That doesn't sound like you're average deranged loser to me. The other guy that was killed had strong links to BlackRock. Maybe these things are just coincidences!

There was also the guy arrested on October 12 near a checkpoint at a Donald Trump rally in Coachella, who had two firearms and ammunition, multiple passports with different names, and an unregistered vehicle with a fake license plate. he must have been quite deranged to get his name wrong so many times every time he applied for a passport and driving licence.
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You are right. he isn't just an average deranged loser is is one huge feking massive deranged loser. Did you think about what you typed there and NOT think wow - what a knacker that fellow is?

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So in the USA where people can buy guns at corner shops and walk out with them, a guy turns up at a trump rally with guns... What is surprising?

There is no conspiracy here. All of this is to be expected. It is a function of their commitment to a 'well regulated militia' - the right to walk about armed to the teeth.
 

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You obviously don't know the facts. He didn't pay anything. The payment came from a second rate lawyer, Michael Cohen, who mortgaged his house to get the $130k, then he slipped in false bills to the Trump campaign to get his money back. He was subsequently convicted of fraud and other offences. from his trial:

Blanche also got Cohen to admit that almost every episode of his podcast mentions Trump and highlighted to jurors that Cohen sold mugs that said “send him to the big house and not the White House” and a T-shirt that pictured Trump in an orange jumpsuit. Cohen acknowledged that he wanted Trump to get convicted and was wearing the shirt recently on TikTok and urging supporters to buy it.
He doesn't sound to me like the sort of guy Trump or anyone else would want to get to pay off one of their enemies. What do you think?

Also, Stormy Daniels' lawyer in the case was convicted of fraud and other offences:
This must be why a court of law found him guilty then....
 

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what's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth.

about 6 months :p

and you can buy hand guns machine guns and 50 cals in the uk if you have somewhere to use it and a licance for it.

also in the usa different states have different laws as to what gun you can buy and background checks some dont, or just go to mexico and get some missiles :D
 

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and dont forget that 35 trillion in debt trump cant fix that and in near 5 years time the interest payments alone is more than they bring in a year and game over :p
 

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No - I do, but I don't see why they are almost exclusively the only measure that comes up when googling 'mean global temperature'. As I said, the artificial exaggeration of the Y axis makes teh changes look scary when in absolute terms they are tiny.



I m aware of the idea that warming may and likely will lead to positive feedback events such as the release of dissolved co2 in oceans through ocean warming, and some other events such as greater heat absorption through loss of reflective ice. There are also theories concerning the possibilities of methane release from clathrates in the arctic ocean and in tundra landscapes. Of course no one can know how such possible events will pan out since we have not seen them going on in any serious way. One can make a guess, but where is the evidence and the measurement data of ACTUAL events?



I am very much against cherry picking whoever does it.

The wild claims of many writers and researchers on the subject of the effects of climate change are in my view cherry picking and have become a genre of science fiction rather than science fact.

Claims such as that there will be mass extinctions in the next half century are absolute nonsense as are advertising campaigns showing the planet burning up which was on TV about six months ago. Utter balderdash. There have always been fires in arid areas. I read an article last year by an Australian woman dealing with the notes her great grandfather wrote about how his farm was destroyed by fire in 1898. Aborigines used controlled fires in the outback to consume dried plant materials and bush for thousands of years. Lately, environmental laws forbade this long used practice, flammable material built up and much more violent and dangerous fires resulted.
What I was getting at was this

"One degree C is a small change which may increase storm severity, but these impacts are not yet world changing with the rise in co2 levels from 240ppm to 417ppm."

That implies a rise from 240ppm to 417 ppm raises global temperature by 1 degrees (which wouldn't be that much of a problem) but is completely wrong, please read up on the difference between Transient Climate Response and Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (it's about double !)
 

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Perhaps you were reacting to my earlier comment that co2 is not a poison except in very high concentrations. It isn't, but if through a very strange combination of circumstances, you were overwhelmed by a geologically caused out-gassing event, yes - you could be suffocated.
I was, my comment was nothing to do with global warming at all, just confirming the lethal nature of CO2. So lethal that in very high concentration it causes such instant anaesthesia that the Danish use it to humanely slaughter the millions of pigs for their well known meat export market.
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re first para:

You are right. he isn't just an average deranged loser is is one huge feking massive deranged loser. Did you think about what you typed there and NOT think wow - what a knacker that fellow is?

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So in the USA where people can buy guns at corner shops and walk out with them, a guy turns up at a trump rally with guns... What is surprising?

There is no conspiracy here. All of this is to be expected. It is a function of their commitment to a 'well regulated militia' - the right to walk about armed to the teeth.
Let's say you had a mental breakdown and decided that the Russians needed to take a beating, and you therefore decided to go and get the Ukranians some help. Why would you go to Afganistan? What's going to happen when you jump off the plane and go to the nearest bar to ask if there are any ISIS fighters around ,who want a bit of excitement? How would you arrange to pay them and where would you get the money from? Would you take your piggy bank with you and offer them the £50 in it to share out between them? I don't think you're thinking this through, are you?
 

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What I was getting at was this

"One degree C is a small change which may increase storm severity, but these impacts are not yet world changing with the rise in co2 levels from 240ppm to 417ppm."

That implies a rise from 240ppm to 417 ppm raises global temperature by 1 degrees (which wouldn't be that much of a problem) but is completely wrong, please read up on the difference between Transient Climate Response and Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (it's about double !)
What do you think about this. I'd like to know a bit more:
 

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and you can buy hand guns machine guns and 50 cals in the uk if you have somewhere to use it and a licance for it.
Cant buy machine guns or .50 caliber in the UK. 303 or 5.56 and only lower calibers in semi automatic. Bolt action only for higher
 

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u need a section 1 fire arms license then u can go kaboom ;)

 

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Large calibre rifles as used by Civilian Shooters in the UK are NOT 'Material Destruction Devices' as they are used with conventional ball ammunition, either lead core or bronze, to shoot paper or electronic targets, rather than explosive or armour piercing projectiles (both restricted as they are Section 5 in the UK) which are designed to damage a hard target at relatively short ranges and not designed for long range accuracy.
Quite simply these are large target rifles.
And thats still a no to machine guns. In fact you cannot even own a machine gun in the US.
All are limited to semi automatic.

Something I've always been interested, but purely on a long range target shooting set up, as in in a club. Just never got around to it.
Given the cost of something like the AR15 M4 look alike(UK) or Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 I'd have to do with one less bike :( But if I got into that type of shooting, I'd happily give one up.

Of course you've got to be eligible for a license, and there I doubt I would have much difficulty. You on the other hand, would probably be laughed out the cop shop ;)
 
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Why would you go to Afganistan? What's going to happen when you jump off the plane and go to the nearest bar to ask if there are any ISIS fighters around ,who want a bit of excitement? How would you arrange to pay them and where would you get the money from? Would you take your piggy bank with you and offer them the £50 in it to share out between them? I don't think you're thinking this through, are you?
After 9/11, George W. Bush demanded that the taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden.
Isis didn't exist then.
Did that Ryan Wesley Rooth go to Afghanistan?
 

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What do you think about this. I'd like to know a bit more:
Well, if I was going to investigate it, I would start off looking at how many automated temperature stations the met office says it has, is it 300 as the article in the Daily Skeptic claims ? Then I would look at the records for one of the stations they mention

As I (and @Ghost1951 ) have mentioned , the surface temperature record is entirely uncontroversial. Because temperature anomalies are spatially correlated for hundreds of miles , the temperature network is massively over sampled. You only need around 80 stations worldwide to reproduce any of the global temperature products (as many have done) and there are plenty of unadjusted readings available as a starting point. This was a particularly well thought out effort (much better done that the existing analyses) and ended up pretty much identical (it actually showed slightly more warming)

 
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I was, my comment was nothing to do with global warming at all, just confirming the lethal nature of CO2. So lethal that in very high concentration it causes such instant anaesthesia that the Danish use it to humanely slaughter the millions of pigs for their well known meat export market.
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CO2 is not such a humane method of killing. Nitrogen is much better, because it does not trigger the panic response that co2 does. If you pull the bed clothes over your head and try to stay there, you will soon begin panting and the urge to escape will get rapidly worse. This is caused by our reaction to very raised co2 levels.Nitrogen does not bring this reaction. You will not even notice in a pure nitrogen atmosphere that anything is wrong. The first thing you will notice is a light headed pleasant feeling. Then you will fall unconscious and die. Nitrogen makes up 78% of our atmosphere. The use of co2 in slaughter of poultry is not poisoning, it is suffocation. They simply flush natural air out of the container by replacing it with 100% co2. If you look it up, nitrogen - completely non poisonous, is now being used in executions in the USA and has been used in euthanasia.

 

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Nitrogen does not bring this reaction. You will not even notice in a pure nitrogen atmosphere that anything is wrong. The first thing you will notice is a light headed pleasant feeling. Then you will fall unconscious and die.
Yes, slow death with 100% nitrogen

They've done all their homework on this subject in depth and so well that there is no panic response to CO2 in the best practice Danish usage to slaughter pigs. It is instaneous change from relaxed to anaethesia and death.

This subject isn't only about the gas used or its effect. With long term in depth research the Danish have covered the period leading to the moment of slaughter psychologically as well as physiologically to ensure there is no fear present that might mean even an instant of panic. This is not just for humane reasons, it well known that some slaughter methods adversely affect the eating quality of the meat. It's with this sort of thoroughness that they've built their 28 million pigs a year industry.

And I wouldn't readily accept the USA as an example of good practice in this subject, given how bad they are in food production animal welfare.
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Yes, slow death with 100% nitrogen

They've done all their homework on this subject in depth and so well that there is no panic response to CO2 in the best practice Danish usage to slaughter pigs. It is instaneous change from relaxed to anaethesia and death.

This subject isn't only about the gas used or its effect. With long term in depth research the Danish have covered the period leading to the moment of slaughter psychologically as well as physiologically to ensure there is no fear present that might mean even an instant of panic. This is not just for humane reasons, it well known that some slaughter methods adversely affect the eating quality of the meat. It's with this sort of thoroughness that they've built their 28 million pigs a year industry.

And I wouldn't readily accept the USA as an example of good practice in this subject, given how bad they are in food production animal welfare.
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We can 100% agree on this I think.

There is a case under investigation of a man who made a suicide pod for the use of terminally ill people. It used a device to fill the pod with 100% nitrogen and the whole plan was built on the fact that the individual requiring the service would experience a relaxed, slightly euphoric experience rapidly followed by unconsciousness and death from suffocation without all the horrible autonomic distress reactions usually associated with that form of death. Our bodies have been designed to recognise certain highly threatening situations and to distress us enough to make sure we don't continue to tolerate them - distress in other words. Since the suicide pod provides a 100% nitrogen atmosphere, the willing subject simply initiates the inflow of the gas (79% of our atmosphere anyway) and drifts off in a matter of about three minutes with no discomfort.

I am not sure why the police are involved in this case or whether it is still going on.



Of course the Americans are also experimenting with this as a method of humane execution. As usual, they will mess it up and turn it into a horrible drama like they have done with every other form of barbaric treatment of criminals. In the case of lethal injection, they deliberately avoided a simple massive overdose of anaesthetics or barbiturates as is used on our pet dogs. That was too peaceful a way to kill people obviously. They messed about with a series of paralysing drugs and stuff that suppressed breathing.
 
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We can 100% agree on this I think.

There is a case under investigation of a man who made a suicide pod for the use of terminally ill people. It used a device to fill the pod with 100% nitrogen and the whole plan was built on the fact that the individual requiring the service would experience a relaxed, slightly euphoric experience rapidly followed by unconsciousness and death from suffocation without all the horrible autonomic distress reactions usually associated with that form of death. Our bodies have been designed to recognise certain highly threatening situations and to distress us enough to make sure we don't continue to tolerate them - distress in other words. Since the suicide pod provides a 100% nitrogen atmosphere, the willing subject simply initiates the inflow of the gas (79% of our atmosphere anyway) and drifts off in a matter of about three minutes with no discomfort.

I am not sure why the police are involved in this case or whether it is still going on.



Of course the Americans are also experimenting with this as a method of humane execution. As usual, they will mess it up and turn it into a horrible drama like they have done with every other form of barbaric treatment of criminals. In the case of lethal injection, they deliberately avoided a simple massive overdose of anaesthetics or barbiturates as is used on our pet dogs. That was too peaceful a way to kill people obviously. They messed about with a series of paralysing drugs and stuff that suppressed breathing.
Yes we can certainly agree with a willing subject's preferable use of Nitrogen, and the way the American's so often mess up what should be simple.

I imagine the Swiss police involvement in the Sarco pod case was prompted, due to the Swiss sensitivity about being one of the minority of nations allowing some assisted dying.
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"EU policy removed 131 FLOOD barriers in Spain/Valencia in the name of 'biodiversity'"? Did they?
Oh, they did, and EU are not only proud, they're openly boasting of it.
Socialists gone all quiet on this suddenly?! :cool:
 

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What I was getting at was this

"One degree C is a small change which may increase storm severity, but these impacts are not yet world changing with the rise in co2 levels from 240ppm to 417ppm."

That implies a rise from 240ppm to 417 ppm raises global temperature by 1 degrees (which wouldn't be that much of a problem) but is completely wrong, please read up on the difference between Transient Climate Response and Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (it's about double !)
Look - I know you are a clever guy Peter - but I am surprised that you don't recognise the range of the predicted possibilities that are made about how the climate MIGHT respond. The outcomes of increasing carbon dioxide are not KNOWN. They are guessed at and the suggested outcomes vary wildly. As I have said many times - there is no settled science. The whole idea encapsulated in that term 'settled science' is completely unscientific - ESPECIALLY, as in this case where there is no possibility of obtaining empirical data. We can't get measurements from the future - obviously, so any values put about in papers are predictive and estimated based on a variety of model inputs.

This uncertainty is reflected in the range that exists in predictions about climate sensitivity - even from the IPCC. As you are careful to read before making a post, you willn o doubt be aware that the estimated predicted range between different modelling outcomes TCR, ECS and ESS have a big range of uncertainty. Some suggest doubling of CO2 will lead to 1.5c, others 4.5c. We do not know and we do not know because no one understands the feedback mechanisms with any certainty at all. It is not KNOWN - people make estimates.

Take for example the FACT that warming will increase evaporation and hence increase the atmospheric content of water vapour. Water vapour helps prevent IR radiation from the earth back into space acting as a blanket. So - things will warm because of greater water vapour content in the atmosphere.... So far so clear, but then a side effect of more water vapour is more cloud. So what?

Well - cloud as viewed from above is white. It is highly reflective of sunlight. Indeed it is extremely reflective of sunlight. We have had perhaps a fortnight of high pressure weather recently. We might expect that to mean wamr sunny weather - oh no... not this time. The current blocked in high pressure system is plastered with cloud and has brought at the surface a complete lack of sunshine striking the earth's surface and consequent miserable low temperatures. All that radiation which struck the clout tops was bounced back into space. It didn't heat up the cloud tops and get trapped when IR radiation was given off, it simply bounced back into space as it does when it strikes polar regions with snow cover. It is EXTREMELY hard to consolidate the combined feedback effects of warming at the levels we have seen. ALL estimates are nothing more than guesswork - as can be readily seen by the range of predicted outcomes from IPCC documents.We DO NOT KNOW.

The only actual empirical data is that we can derive from paleo sources in the fossil record. These are pretty sound factually based data and not modelling.

In the end - this squabble we are having is about my contention that I think much of the hysterical hype about consequences of increased co2 in the atmosphere is over the top and is not based on certain measurements.

I do not say that we need do nothing, but I do say that the United Kingdom has ALREADY reduced its co2 output by half since 1990.

I DO recommend making more wind farms, but I also say that demands that we scrap backup gas generating systems and rely entirely on renewable generation by 2030 or 2035 are RIDICULOUS and will leave us in dire distress when we get these fortnight long blocked, occluded high pressure systems.

In the last week the empirical data shows that our vast forest of offshore and onshore wind farms(30.299 Gwatts of installed capacity) has produced only 10.6% of our electricity supply, or coincidentally almost exactly 10% of its potential at 3.29 Gwats average power, and that gas has had to be turned on to supply 48.1%. That data comes from Elexson Insights Solution and is accessed at the National Grid Portal or it can be readily seen on the excellent website https://grid.iamkate.com/ which I consult several times each day.

I want to see renewable energy succeed, but the ideological stupidity of the sort that Miliband calls for, the shutting down of gas generation, is insane and damaging, and if carried out would leave us sitting for weeks at a time in the dark with a grid completely unable to supply power. A secure electricity supply is one of the essentials of modern life and putting it at risk for ideological reasons, is intolerable. I already think that there is serious risk at a time of conflict of having such a resource offshore. Russia is a dab hand at under sea shenanigans and has already sent ships to lurk around our offshore cable infrastructure. They are widely blamed for the damage to certain cables in the Baltic Sea in 2023. If problems persist between our nations, expect much more of this and perhaps more candle lit dinners than we are used to having - only they will perhaps be in the cold and not romantic at all.

 
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